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I've been singing this same mantra for years. Getting anyone to believe it is worse than pulling teeth

That's because it's BS.

The poster that posted the tongue-in-cheek argument earlier in this thread about how the two men were preordained to get busy with this woman illustrates how absurd your point is. By your thought process these men were poor, unfortunate victims of outside forces beyond their control. No personal responsibility. You even wanted them castrated. Why? If what they did was beyond their control, why punish them? Why punish anyone if they were preordained to murder, steal, etc....?

If you were to argue that we all have varying ranges of behavior, I could accept that. No matter how hard I try I will never be able to hit a Major League curve ball. That is forever outside my range of abilities. I can, however, choose to do many other things.

Some of us have wider ranges than others. I get that. But according to your beliefs...

If God wanted him to climb that obstacle, he woulda miracled his a$$ up there.
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