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Based on this warning via HWTSC Board from Homeland Security are any of you removing Java from your Macs - do any of you use it on your Macs?





http://boards.fool.com/us-warns-on-java-software-security-co...
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Not me.

If you are worried disable JAVA. I actually removed it in the last panic. After I wanted JAVA back, I learned returning JAVA means reinstalling the OS.

gordon
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I have Java on my Mac.I'm wanting to learn more about the risks.
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IIRC it is not Java itself that is insecure, but the Java plugin for browsers.

J
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I use actively Java on my Macs and other machines, but I'm pretty atypical.

-awlabrador
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According to macrumors, apple is blocking java plugin.

http://www.macrumors.com/2013/01/11/apple-blocks-java-7-on-o...
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I have Java turned off. Unless you use Java apps regularly you might as well turn it off.

Denny Schlesinger
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The two most crash-prone and nastiest things in our computer world are Flash and Java. Unfortunately, it takes time to replace them or fix them. In Adobe's case, they have almost given up with Flash.
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Oracle Corp to fix Java security flaw "shortly"
By Jim Finkle | Reuters – 1 hr 0 mins ago

BOSTON (Reuters) - Oracle Corp said it is preparing an update to address a flaw in its widely used Java software after the U.S. Department of Homeland Security urged computer users to disable the program in web browsers because criminal hackers are exploiting a security bug to attack PCs.

"A fix will be available shortly," the company said in a statement released late on Friday


http://news.yahoo.com/oracle-corp-fix-java-security-flaw-sho...

Denny Schlesinger
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I have Java turned off. Unless you use Java apps regularly you might as well turn it off.

Denny Schlesinger

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I have an iPad and turned it off this morning, however, I can't read my Yahoo Mail unless I have java......argh!
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I have an iPad and turned it off this morning, however, I can't read my Yahoo Mail unless I have java......argh!

Did you turn off Java or JavaScript? Not the same thing, and I don't think the iPad has Java anyway. If it was JavaScript, turn it back on. It's not effected by the advisory.
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IIRC it is not Java itself that is insecure, but the Java plugin for browsers.

That is my understanding too.

Firefox has just released a new version (18.0.0) which fixes this security gap. Other browsers have yet to respond, AFAIK.

Loren
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I have an iPad and turned it off this morning…

That's not possible, since iPads don't (and cannot) run Java. You can't turn Java off if it's not even installed!

You probably turned off Javascript.

I know it's confusing, but Javascript is NOT Java, and the current problem isn't related to Javascript.

SJK
(Who has neither Java nor Flash installed on his Mac.)
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After I wanted JAVA back, I learned returning JAVA means reinstalling the OS.

No, it doesn't.

In fact, Apple no longer develops Java for Mac. Oracle has taken over that responsibility.

(What do you use that actually requires Java?)
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I just looked. I had Java unchecked (checked it back) and JavaScript has been checked all along, because I thought it was Java we were supposed to turn off. Sheesh! Whatever, I have had no problems in any case.

Birgit
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IIRC it is not Java itself that is insecure, but the Java plugin for browsers.

Apple is only disabling the plugin, but the bug affects all Java, not just the plugin.

It's more likely to strike in the plugin, since the plugin runs Java code on any website you visit.

But if you were tricked into downloading a trojan horse Java app, and run it using the JRE (Java Runtime Environment), it could exploit the same security flaw.
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I just looked. I had Java unchecked (checked it back) and JavaScript has been checked all along, because I thought it was Java we were supposed to turn off.

You just made things worse.

Repeat after me: Java is evil, JavaScript is good!

Disable Java, enable JavaScript. Then don't futz with things!
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Steven I like to play the Puzzle by Average Joe on the Humor board. That is the only thing I use JAVA for.

Regarding removal - I may have done it poorly, but I did end up having to re-install the OS. I did not disable JAVA in preferences, instead I deleted some file(s). I could not get it to install - I do not recall the specifics. At that point I contacted Applecare and they worked for a while - finally saying boot from the recovery partition and re-install the OS.

Gordon
Atlanta
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Java is evil

Well, for me, Java is a necessary evil. Some of my lab equipment (commercially purchased) is driven only by cross-platform Java code, and I don't have the time or resources to roll my own software for it. It's not browser-based, though, not the one I'm thinking about, anyway.

And I keep Java in Safari turned off as much as possible.

-awlabrador
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Just out of curiosity, were you trying to reinstall Apple's Java, or Oracle's?
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Well, for me, Java is a necessary evil.

For which you have my sympathies.

I recently bought an app, and only after my purchase did I discover that it required Java. I'm going to ask for my money back.
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Both actually. I don't recall which I tried first.

Gordon
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I'm not entirely clear on this.

Our Macbook shows both the 32 bit and 64 bit versions of SE 6 (vendor: "Apple"). Version 1.6.0_37-b06-434. Unless Apple updated it this is original (because I have never had cause to even look at Java before). Each has a check box next to it in "Java Preferences", but the "enable applet plug-in and Web Start applications" check box is NOT checked.

Should I uncheck those other two boxes?

Checking the security tab there are various boxes checked, and many not checked. It does appear Java Console is not loading.

Mostly Google Chrome is being used on the Macbook.

1poorguy
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> Well, for me, Java is a necessary evil.

For which you have my sympathies.

I recently bought an app, and only after my purchase did I discover that it required Java. I'm going to ask for my money back.


One of the side effects of Apple being seen as a consumer company with a miniscule pro user base is that pro hardware and software providers -- at least those for whom I am a customer -- end up being less motivated to provide Mac-specific products.

Because of that, I'm grateful for this particular company providing a Java-based application to go with their hardware. Also, I can run it via Linux and Windows, which insulates my Mac in times of Java security holes.

(Of course, I'd be happier if Apple exhibited more interest in pro users and convinced other companies of their support, but we'll see what 2013 brings... See other threads in which I admit I'm forced to use Dells in the lab...)

-awlabrador
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I don't know if the bug is in Java 6, but if you don't need it, it's a good idea to disable it anyway.
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One of the side effects of Apple being seen as a consumer company with a miniscule pro user base is that pro hardware and software providers -- at least those for whom I am a customer -- end up being less motivated to provide Mac-specific products.

I have the same complaint. This was an occasional topic of discussion on John Siracusa's Hypercritical podcasts. He's a pro-user (a ruby programmer, as I recall) who feels that his needs as a pro user are ignored by apple.
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I don't know if the bug is in Java 6, but if you don't need it, it's a good idea to disable it anyway.

Given how widespread the news is, I can't find the specific link I'm thinking of, but my recollection is that Java 6 is indeed affected. Unfortunately, that's what I've got installed on my Mac. Now that a fix (or should that be "fix") has been released by Oracle, I'll probably install Java 7 over Java 6.

-awlabrador
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