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Subject: Lest he have contact with reality... Date: 10/2/2012 4:25 PM
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I just watched on TV as Ryan was asked if the 47% might be assessed a modest fee as a minimum income tax so that they might have an interest in American government (because apparently vets, the disabled and SS recipients don't). His response:

"I have another idea. How about we tell them to get a job so they can pay taxes."

Is he aware that 39 of those 47% have a job?
Is he aware that many of those who are unemployed became so as a result of the policies he wants to reinstate?


Either I need to awaken from this bad dream or this guy needs to be sent back to his last "real" job, driving the weiner wagon or whatever it was.
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Subject: Re: Lest he have contact with reality... Date: 10/2/2012 5:01 PM
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He as well as Romney in his famous hidden video were obviously talking about a segment of the 47%, not the entire 47%.

So to put this in its proper context they are/were not talking about those who have jobs, vets, disabled, and SS recipients.

""Is he aware that many of those who are unemployed became so as a result of the policies he wants to reinstate?""

??? People became unemployed due to the mortgage bust that kicked off recession which led to loss of jobs in the shrinking economy, this mortgage bust was the problem, that was not a republican issue, democrats are the only ones on the record threatening/pressuring lenders in the past to offer more loan programs so more people could qualify for loans, this Democrat pressure led to the creation of high risk loan programs such as sub prime. You can cry about what the industry did with the useless paper after they were written, fact remains they never should have been written in the first place, you can thank liberals/democrats for getting that ball rolling, i mean for inflating that bubble.

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Subject: Re: Lest he have contact with reality... Date: 10/2/2012 5:03 PM
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He as well as Romney in his famous hidden video were obviously talking about a segment of the 47%, not the entire 47%.

What language was he speaking? In English "47%" doesn't mean "5%".

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Subject: Re: Lest he have contact with reality... Date: 10/2/2012 5:13 PM
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"What language was he speaking? In English "47%" doesn't mean "5%". "

Classic (and common) generalization, say 47% but then discuss things than only apply to some of the 47%, thus he was talking about some of the 47%.

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Subject: Re: Lest he have contact with reality... Date: 10/2/2012 5:16 PM
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Is he aware that 39 of those 47% have a job?
Is he aware that many of those who are unemployed became so as a result of the policies he wants to reinstate?


If Romney had said that, I could believe he was clueless. But I suspect Ryan knows that was a bullsih statement, and is just pumping the GOP meme because it advances his/their agenda of dismantling all federal social spending.

I don't think he's dumb. I do think he's evil, using that word in the secular sense of a "very bad man".

--FY

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Subject: Re: Lest he have contact with reality... Date: 10/2/2012 5:22 PM
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"I don't think he's dumb. I do think he's evil"

We view Obama this way, you have to be evil to want to make people dependant on government as Obama is trying to do.

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Subject: Re: Lest he have contact with reality... Date: 10/2/2012 6:16 PM
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Can't fix stupid.

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Subject: Re: Lest he have contact with reality... Date: 10/2/2012 6:50 PM
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We view Obama this way, you have to be evil to want to make people dependant on government as Obama is trying to do.

That's a strawman. Obama is doing no such thing. None of his actions have fostered dependency.

Here's a breakdown of the 47%. It's really a very tricky number because many/most of those folks DO pay taxes of one sort or another (including payroll taxes).

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/18/romneys-47-perce...

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/sep/19/business/la-fi-hiltz...

There are more google hits if you're really interested.

This is the key point:

The key number he cited is that 47% of Americans "pay no income tax." The statistic is true as far as it goes, but it doesn't come close to reaching the finish line. In fact, its shock value derives from the legerdemain of focusing solely on the federal income tax. This misleads Romney and his audience into thinking that the group in question is mostly people on a lifelong dole.

The truth is that the vast majority are people who are working or who have worked in the past. Their ranks include millions of Americans who are now retired, living on Social Security and Medicare benefits they paid for throughout their working lives. Many others are those who were booted into culverts by the economic crisis and are today struggling to get back on the road.


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Subject: Re: Lest he have contact with reality... Date: 10/2/2012 7:44 PM
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Trustfund says:
He as well as Romney in his famous hidden video were obviously talking about a segment of the 47%, not the entire 47%.

Repub math:

"60% of the time it works 100% of the time"

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Subject: Re: Lest he have contact with reality... Date: 10/2/2012 7:52 PM
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I just watched on TV as Ryan was asked if the 47% might be assessed a modest fee as a minimum income tax so that they might have an interest in American government (because apparently vets, the disabled and SS recipients don't). His response:

"I have another idea. How about we tell them to get a job so they can pay taxes."

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Someone should ask that moron how he justifies living off other people's taxes while condemning those who are unable to work, can't find work, or who are working at such low-paying jobs they can barely make it.

AM

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Subject: Re: Lest he have contact with reality... Date: 10/2/2012 8:02 PM
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I just watched on TV as Ryan was asked if the 47% might be assessed a modest fee as a minimum income tax so that they might have an interest in American government (because apparently vets, the disabled and SS recipients don't). His response:

"I have another idea. How about we tell them to get a job so they can pay taxes."


I hope Mr. Romney and Mr. Ryan realize the "47%" includes the 491,000 people who made more than $100,000, including 7,000 millionaires, in 2011 and paid no taxes.

http://www.businessinsider.com/7000-millionaires-paid-no-inc...

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/numbers/displayatab.cfm?DocID...

Chris

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Subject: Re: Lest he have contact with reality... Date: 10/2/2012 9:02 PM
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I don't think he's dumb. I do think he's evil, using that word in the secular sense of a "very bad man".

As an atheist, I completely agree. But that aside, isn't Ryan physically just the perfect avatar for Satan?

Wessex

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Subject: Re: Lest he have contact with reality... Date: 10/2/2012 9:34 PM
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We view Obama this way, you have to be evil to want to make people dependant on government as Obama is trying to do.


When all else fails tell lies, exploit peoples fears, and distort reality.

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Subject: Re: Lest he have contact with reality... Date: 10/3/2012 12:37 PM
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When all else fails tell lies, exploit peoples fears, and distort reality.

We are *still* waiting for the WMDs in Iraq to be revealed....

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Subject: Re: Lest he have contact with reality... Date: 10/3/2012 12:39 PM
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Can't fix stupid.

<snip><snip>--FIXED !!

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