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Subject: Re: Is Life Meaningless? Date: 2/26/2001 11:03 AM
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Let's take a closer look at "arbitrary," as this is central to your POV. The definitions that could apply to your use of the word are as follows.

1 : depending on individual discretion (as of a judge) and not fixed by law <the manner of punishment is arbitrary>
3 a : based on or determined by individual preference or convenience rather than by necessity or the intrinsic nature of something <an arbitrary standard> <take any arbitrary positive number> <arbitrary division of historical studies into watertight compartments -- A. J. Toynbee> b : existing or coming about seemingly at random or by chance or as a capricious and unreasonable act of will <when a task is not seen in a meaningful context it is experienced as being arbitrary -- Nehemiah Jordan>

3a sums up your entire view of the universe. 3b is the exact opposite of how mankind arrived at its definition of words like "matter" and "energy." Your careless application of the word "arbitrary" to every concept is hollow. You have still proven nothing.


Actually I prefer definition 1, but 3a works as well. Actually you can use any definition you like for anything you like. It really all is just in your head. Of course, what you believe to be true is true to you so your view of the true is absolutely true if only to you.

And if life is truly meaningless, why live under a code of ethics? Why play the game? You keep saying that the meaninglessness of life makes it "fun" to play the game, but wouldn't it make more sense for everyone to end their meaningless lives as quickly as possible? Have you not observed that one of the most fundamental aspects of the human psyche is the need for meaning? People want to be significant. They want to matter. EVERYONE does. Do you claim that you have escaped this most basic of human needs? Without it, humanity would not have progressed to where we are now. Everyone WOULD have killed themselves.

apetrel already answered this to some extent, but I must add a bit. WHY WOULD YOU KILL YOURSELF IF LIFE IS MEANINGLESS? I am sorry that your personal human life is so devoid of interest that you feel that you must add meaning to it to make it worth living.

If it really is meaningless, then killing yourself does not add anything to the mix nor remove anything from the mix. Sure,your personal self has no reason to continue, but it has no reason not to continue.

There is no absolute reason to live a moral life. There is no absolute reason not to.

From a purely human perspective, for a purely behavioristic perspective, it is beneficial for a single person and for society as a whole to behave "morally" (warning, my definition of moral has nothing to do with rules passed down by some supreme being. My definition of morality is the basic golden rule, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, or do what you like until you infringe on the rights of others).

Why play the game? Why not kill yourself?

Have you ever played cards or a board game? Why? Did it glorify your god or add to your meaning or significance?

Or perhaps it was just fun.
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