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Just to piss you all off further. I enjoy holding contradictory opinions on the same matter at the same time. So.. I KNOW that life is meaningful.

I believe that life is beyond just meaningful, that it is sacred. That the entire universe is completely interconnected. That no one exists separately from everything else and that everything is as sacred as god. Each tiny subatomic particle, each microbe, each cockroach is as important and sacred as any human, saint or god.

we are all in this together. We are actually all this together since there is nothing outside to be inside of.
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That the entire universe is completely interconnected.

Funny you should mention this point. My understanding of the theories of cosmological inflation is that there are parts of the universe which are utterly disconnected.

Now here is a real paradox for you. If you could prove to your own satisfaction that there must be matter in the universe which has never affected , and never will affect you in any way, does such matter exist? Does it in some sense "matter"?

I realize that you may deny the premise (that you could prove something to your own satisfaction), but just pretend for a little while that you could.
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That the entire universe is completely interconnected.

Funny you should mention this point. My understanding of the theories of cosmological inflation is that there are parts of the universe which are utterly disconnected.

Now here is a real paradox for you. If you could prove to your own satisfaction that there must be matter in the universe which has never affected , and never will affect you in any way, does such matter exist? Does it in some sense "matter"?

I realize that you may deny the premise (that you could prove something to your own satisfaction), but just pretend for a little while that you could.


And what if I were to grant that there is some 'matter' that is completely disconnected from other 'matter'. And what if I were to tell you that the definition of 'matter' is arbitrary. That matter, energy, everything is all the same thing. No difference except in the wave pattern that in it's pulsing.

Even if there is some matter somewhere that has no direct connection, it does not matter. It is still all interconnected. By the way, this applies across universes as well. What happens to a flea in this univerese affects all the other multitude of universes as well.

How can I say this? By definition.
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That matter, energy, everything is all the same thing.

Well, yes. Tell me something that I don't know. The point is that under certain theories, the some waves never have and never will intersect with certain others.


And what if I were to grant that there is some 'matter' that is completely disconnected from other 'matter'. And what if I were to tell you that the definition of 'matter' is arbitrary.

So, if you grant my point does this matter, defined in our arbitrary way, exist?

How can I say this? By definition.

Sorry, I missed that. What are you defining?

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And what if I were to grant that there is some 'matter' that is completely disconnected from other 'matter'. And what if I were to tell you that the definition of 'matter' is arbitrary.

So, if you grant my point does this matter, defined in our arbitrary way, exist?


That depends, which arbitrary definition would you like to use?

How can I say this? By definition.

Sorry, I missed that. What are you defining?


Whatever I feel like defining. It's my definition so it means what I like.

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So, if you grant my point does this matter, defined in our arbitrary way, exist?

That depends, which arbitrary definition would you like to use?

Oh good! If the answer depends on the definition, please choose some of the more interesting examples of definitions and show how the answer changes.

Here is a defintion, if you need to get started

material substance that occupies space, has mass, and is composed predominantly of atoms consisting of protons, neutrons, and electrons, that constitutes the observable universe, and that is interconvertible with energy

Sorry, I missed that. What are you defining?

Whatever I feel like defining. It's my definition so it means what I like.

No problem. I just kind of missed it and was hoping you would repeat it in different words so I might understand it.

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So, if you grant my point does this matter, defined in our arbitrary way, exist?

That depends, which arbitrary definition would you like to use?

Oh good! If the answer depends on the definition, please choose some of the more interesting examples of definitions and show how the answer changes.

Here is a defintion, if you need to get started

material substance that occupies space, has mass, and is composed predominantly of atoms consisting of protons, neutrons, and electrons, that constitutes the observable universe, and that is interconvertible with energy


Since it is your definition, I will let you decide whether or not matter, defined in that way exists. I wouldn't presume to push my interpretation upon your arbitrary definition.


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Since it is your definition, I will let you decide whether or not matter, defined in that way exists. I wouldn't presume to push my interpretation upon your arbitrary definition.

Sorry, I came here for an argument, all you give me is mere contradiction.


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Sorry, I came here for an argument, all you give me is mere contradiction.

No, I didn't.
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Sorry, I came here for an argument,

This is abuse, you want 12-A.
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So, estd, how long haven't you been contradicting people?
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So, estd, how long haven't you been contradicting people?

What are you implying? I've never contradicted anyone.
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Just to piss you all off further. I enjoy holding contradictory opinions on the same matter at the same time. So.. I KNOW that life is meaningful.

Prove it.
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Just to piss you all off further. I enjoy holding contradictory opinions on the same matter at the same time. So.. I KNOW that life is meaningful.


Prove it.


Did you read the thread before that one where estd/seaofglup said that life was not meaningful? By the way, he was one of my doppels who died a horrible death in the Valentine's Day Massacre. Start from the beginning of the board and read the whole thing. Then come back and ask your questions again. I am sure you will either have more things to say or you will go away shaking your head. Either one is fine.

This board has been ceded to the British Invasion anyway. We will to ask their permission before continuing our little discussion.
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Dear estd, I enjoyed your short essay. I agee with your thesis.


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Dear estd, I enjoyed your short essay. I agee with your thesis.

THen y'all might like this:

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after stardom.
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