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Subject: Re: Homosexual Intolerence Date: 11/15/2006 9:44 AM
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<<But I do agree that C-14 dating is reasonably accurate, and I have no problem reconciling that with the creation of the universe. If the universe was created 5767 (plus 7 days of indeterminate length) years ago, then it was created with the traces of C14 that we observe today. That must be the case, since otherwise, where did the C14 come from?>>

It all depends on how you view "7 [actually 6] days of indeterminate length". If you take indeterminate length to possibly mean about 2 billion current years per "day", and the biblical description of the creation as being a somewhat metaphorical and very brief summary, then the issue of how much C14 there was sequestered in various objects becomes moot. All you're doing is redefining the yardstick of time for the first 12 billion years of the universe's existence.


I don't think it is "redefining" at all, it is simply reconciling.

If you're saying that god created the universe in a much shorter time and planted evidence in carbon deposits of various kinds, to make it appear to 20th century scientists AS IF the world has existed longer than it has, then we have a disagreement.

A man is talking to God.

The man: "God, how long is a million years?"

God: "To me, it's about a minute."

The man: "God, how much is a million dollars?"

God: "To me it's a penny."

The man: "God, may I have a penny?"

God: "Wait a minute."

<<That must be the case, since otherwise, where did the C14 come from?>>

Perhaps you need a quick course in nuclear reactions. All the atoms in the early universe were hydrogen. Larger atoms all evolved from nuclear fusion, creating heavier and heavier atoms within the fiery bellies of stars and galaxies. Certain lighter elements get fused into C14 and various other elements. Some of the elements are more stable than others. C14 is somewhat unstable, resulting in its gradual decay into C12, emitting two neutrons in the process. The sequence of fusion - which elements fuse into which heavier elements, and decay - which elements decay, at what rate, into which other elements, is well known. C14 is not a unique example in this process.


Perhaps stated more simply - where then did the hydrogen come from, and where then did the initial push towards the fusion reactions come from? And further down, where did those protons and neutrons come from?

That God used (and uses) nuclear fusion in the "fiery bellies of stars" (for creation and otherwise) is not at all farfetched.
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