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<<I would argue that unlike most politicians, for example, Al was just being honest about taxes and Social Security>>

<<This seems to be a popular misconception on this board--means-testing Social Security is not "punishment" for the wealthy. After all, is denying welfare or Medicaid to successful people a punishment?>>

<<I don't think that the average "Joe Sixpack" would necessarily agree with you once it was explained to them what the point of means-testing was: that millionaires don't need government assistance.>>

Chris,

Thanks for giving this board a reality check. Everybody's entitled to his or her own opinion, but the discussion was getting awfully emotional. Your points did a good job to bring it back to concentrating on how to get us out of the box we're in, rather than worrying about whether any one proposal is the right answer.

Al
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