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Subject: Re: Half of 1st time college student graduate Date: 2/27/2013 6:24 PM
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<Nationally, 15 percent of students who started at a two-year public institution completed at a four-year institution

Perhaps this is a bit incorrect?

This stat, 15%, suggests out of ALL CC students, whereas a lot of CC students have NO intention of continuing to a 4 year institution.

Many students at my local Community College (CC) are in the 25 to 50 year old age group - the so-called 'nontraditional students'. They have chosen the CC specifically to get a 2 year (Associates) degree in a technical field such as the health care specialties: Vocational Nursing - 1 year; Associates Degree Nursing (ADN) RN with an associates; Surgical Tech, Dental Hygiene Tech, etc.

These are 2 year TERMINAL degrees....

In the past, local HS graduates would attend the CC to get cheap first and second year course work, then move on to the 4 year institutions. CC's are specifically designed to accept, and give a chance, to those students who dont qualify for the 'majors'... sort of farm teams for the big leagues.

In the last couple of decades, with mass layoffs, and subsequent retraining, we've seen the rise of the 'nontraditional' student - and therefore a change in the 'mission' of the CC.>

I think that the 15% refers to the "farm team" cohort. It shows that this legitimate purpose of CCs describes only about 1 out of 7 students (who succeeded in completing a 4 year degree).

I didn't see data that described how many CC grads tried the 4 year degree but dropped out due to inadequate preparation for the 4 year college by the CC. YMMD but my experience as a CC instructor was that the CC classes were not as rigorous as the 4 year college classes were. I was instructed by my department chair to make my class equivalent to the 4 year college class (which was partly online so I could access it). I had been told that previous CC graduates who got an A at the CC flunked the 4 year public college.

One of my good friends is a 45 year old mother of 5 who is now attending the CC to get a CNA certificate (I think) which is very employable in our area. This is an excellent use of CC and home resources because she is highly disciplined, is doing well and the degree will pay off immediately.

What is not a good use of resources is going into debt for an education that will not pay off -- as you and flyerboys said.

Wendy
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