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Subject: Re: Liberal agendas and the military Date: 11/25/2000 7:36 PM
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My friend, like I mentioned in an earlier post, our country was founded and built on Biblical principles. Homosexuality is forbidden in the Bible just like murder, adultry, drunkeness, sexual misconduct, etc., which are not tolerated in the military. If homosexuality was such a natural occurrence why would God strictly forbid something he intended for humans to do. Democrats and Liberals, using spin and assorted other crap, are taking us down a road of moral decline as they come up with studies to further their agendas. They are reducing that same moral standard that founded and made this country great.

Sorry, I can't let this rest without a few more thoughts. (I've been ruminating about this for a few days.) My apology for the name-calling still stands- I shouldn't label people with what are, to them, hurtful characterizations- I know I wouldn't want that done to me. Having said that, I wonder if you have ever considered what your public pronouncements about homosexuality being "improper, immoral and unnatural" feel like to gay people?

Anyway- I wanted to address a couple positions stated in your posts. One statement you make is that homosexuality is strictly forbidden by God as depicted in the Bible, and it is equated with adultery, murder, drunkeness and sexual misconduct. My late mother, one of the most intensely spiritual people I ever knew, and a devout Episcopalian, always told my brothers and me to remember one thing about the Bible; it was not let down from Heaven on a string. It was authored by men: men who were no doubt Divinely inspired a lot of the time, but also mere men who were subject to the prejudices, ignorance and social mores of their time. They wrote many wonderful things in the Bible; for instance, the primary responsibility of Christians, which I recall is to worship the Lord above all else, and to love our neighbors as ourselves (don't recall anything about it saying "excepting homosexuals", though.) Yes, there is a lot of wonderful advice in that work, but there also are some ideas which do not, and dare I say, should not carry over to today.

I have no real argument with your assertion about our country being founded on Biblical principles, but you also must realize that the principles contain the above-mentioned misconceptions and prejudices. Again, the societal mores of colonial times differed greatly from what we accept today, to wit, slavery was normal, women were viewed more as chattel than people, etc. (Jeez, I think maybe a few people were burned at the stake for witchcraft, too!)

We all should accept that civilization progresses and that prejudices die out in an evolutionary fashion. Unfortunately for gays, some fears and prejudices are more obdurate than others. I think two of the overriding principles this country was founded on were, in fact, tolerance and freedom, both of which we should be applying towards all people, irrespective of race, religion, ethnicity and, yes, sexual orientation!

A few weeks ago, I posted a "New School Prayer" which decried the advent of "political correctness" and lack of spiritualism in the public education system:

http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=13260483

I was somewhat taken aback by the number of responses assailing this as an attack on "freedom of choice" and separation of church and state. Now, after reading some of the traffic on this issue, I think I have a better understanding what causes those jitters. The use of the Bible as a justification for labelling others as "less than", and promoting intolerance goes against the teachings of Jesus and other religions as well!

I have a problem with the characterization of a "Liberal, Homosexual agenda" being used as a label for those who advocate tolerance in the military, making it sound like a dirty word. I know I don't consider myself particularly liberal (did NOT vote for Gore!!) and I don't subscribe to any particular "agenda". I just think all the arguments against gays in the military and the reasoning behind them reflect poorly on the military, as a matter of fact, more on the intolerance exhibited by the officers, rather than the sexual orientation of the soldier. As for your position being in the mainstream, I have no statistics, but I have a feeling your views about the issue are not nearly as widely-held as you might think.

My apologies for the verbosity; I had some more thoughts, but those fried synapses are acting up again! I'll just say that it's no longer AD 1, it's not 1776 anymore, it's 2000 now- let's get along, ok?

(ps to Vile- Random House Dictionary of the English Language, 2nd Edition- homophobia- unreasoning fear of or an antipathy towards homosexuals and homosexuality.)
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