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Author: MichaelRead Big gold star, 5000 posts Feste Award Winner! Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: of 748792  
Subject: My medication and what it did Date: 12/5/2012 10:27 PM
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This time last year I was diagnosed with a leaky aortic valve and was prescribed Diovan. Things began running downhill: shortness of breath, lack of appetite, muscle weakness, dizziness and loss of balance, to name a few. I thought, well, you’re 74 and the flesh grows weak – and, for these symptoms, I was prescribed a puffer and, because my blood pressure was high, diuretics. I went from 160 to 125 lbs.

I saw a heart specialist where I listed all these and was told they were all part of the underlying heart problem.

However, three days ago I decided to do due diligence on all this and discovered the medication I was taking for my heart had side effects: this list I found of them matched all the symptoms I was experiencing. A year ago no one told me these were a possible byproduct of the medication.

I stopped taking the medicine immediately and, last night, didn’t wake up in the middle of the night gasping for air as I have been for almost a year.

The underlying heart problem still exists and I will have to do something about it but if the side-effects of the medication now abate maybe I can enjoy not being so tired and out-of-sorts.

Plus, I really miss not going out on the boat in the saltchuck fishing. The boat has been in the driveway all summer and I just didn’t have the energy to work on it and take it out. Maybe that will change.

MichaelR
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Author: telegraph Big funky green star, 20000 posts Top Recommended Fools Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 658500 of 748792
Subject: Re: My medication and what it did Date: 12/5/2012 10:32 PM
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sounds good but if you really need the heart med, maybe there is something else you should be taking instead?////

Hope it works out for you.


t.

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Author: pauleckler Big funky green star, 20000 posts Top Favorite Fools Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 658501 of 748792
Subject: Re: My medication and what it did Date: 12/5/2012 10:44 PM
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As a patient with high blood pressure, you might find the discussions on the Fools Under Pressure discussion board of interest--

http://boards.fool.com/walmart-humana-001-high-blood-pressur...

There you will find several participants willing to share their experiences in controlling high blood pressure.

It is always a bad idea to discontinue taking your blood pressure medication suddenly. Doing so can result in a heart attack. It is better to discuss the issue with your doctor and then have him or her adjust your medications.

Side effects have been a concern with blood pressure medications as long as they have been available. Once people resisted treatment due to the side effects. But these days they have half a dozen major classes of such drugs. Usually it is possible to prescribe low doses of several of them to do the job without the side effects becoming intolerable. But also note that some on the discussion board have had some success with diet and exercise programs.

A book you may find of interest is reviewed here--

http://boards.fool.com/sheldon-g-sheps-mayo-clinic-on-high-b...

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Subject: Re: My medication and what it did Date: 12/5/2012 11:15 PM
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Here in the US, you have the option of getting consultation with a pharmacist about your drugs when getting the prescriptions filled. At least that's my experience with Walgreen's and Rite-Aid.

It becomes a balancing act the more drugs you take. Each person is a tad different with differing threshholds of discomfort tolerance and what-not.

Maybe you could research a more naturopathic approach to your condition?

I'm sorry to read that you suffered so, but happy to know that you've identified the cause of it all. That's half the battle.

Keep us posted. We're all pulling for ya.

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Author: lowstudent Big funky green star, 20000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 658520 of 748792
Subject: Re: My medication and what it did Date: 12/6/2012 7:25 AM
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Michael

I discovered i had a severe problem with energy after one of the medicines I was taking for a blood pressure/cholesterol problem

Foolishly, I stopped the medication as I experimented with getting my energy back.

I did find the culprit and got my energy back. I did this without consulting my cardiologist as he was the one that had scuttled my energy

I ended up with permanent heart damage and CHF not debilitating and other than knowing I screwed up and seeing it on my echos it is well under control etc.

But long story short. Be real careful about stopping meds quickly and without a doc looking over your shoulder.

From reading your posts in general, I expect you are wiser than I was, you seem pretty thorough, but just sharing the human ability to act really stupidly might assist someone somewhere.

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Author: JLC Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 658526 of 748792
Subject: Re: My medication and what it did Date: 12/6/2012 9:14 AM
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This time last year I was diagnosed with a leaky aortic valve and was prescribed Diovan.

Without knowing your numbers results from assumed tests I'll limit my comments (maybe).

You most likely have aortic regurgitation, meaning the leaky heart valve allows the blood to flow backwards. Diovan is an angiotensin inhibitor (ACE) and acts like an afterload reducer. Meaning, it reduces blood pressure and allows the blood to keep moving forward more efficiently.

This is all in an effort to reduce the work load of the heart muscle and hopefully prevent you from going into congestive heart failure, pulmonary edema, or developing some sort of disrhythmia. Like all meds, some people have side effects. A friend of mine developed a persistent cough after starting an ACE which went away after stopping the drug. You need to talk things over with your physician and get on a drug that will help and not leave you feeling bad. It can be a trial and error situation.

Don't ignore this. I've treated/seen plenty of guys that stopped their medications on their own because it "messed with my nature" (they couldn't get an erection) and wound up having a stroke. Like that's really attractive to a woman.

JLC

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Author: jjbklb Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 658528 of 748792
Subject: Re: My medication and what it did Date: 12/6/2012 9:35 AM
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Is this what Arnold Swartzenager had surgery to correct?

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Author: JLC Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 658573 of 748792
Subject: Re: My medication and what it did Date: 12/6/2012 2:30 PM
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Is this what Arnold Swartzenager had surgery to correct?

I believe so. His was a congenital defect. Aortic valves normally have 3 leaflets. Some people have 2 leaflets. Makes them more prone to damage over time, thus start to leak.

When you get your valve replaced generally comes down to percent regurgitation/ejection fraction and if your heart is becoming dilated.

Good news though, you no longer have to get your chest cracked. They are now starting to use a transcatheter valve. They go in through your femoral artery (just like getting a heart cath or stent), then float a spring loaded device that then opens in place of your valve.

JLC

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Author: vkg Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 658609 of 748792
Subject: Re: My medication and what it did Date: 12/6/2012 6:53 PM
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Good news though, you no longer have to get your chest cracked. They are now starting to use a transcatheter valve. They go in through your femoral artery (just like getting a heart cath or stent), then float a spring loaded device that then opens in place of your valve.

JLC


Even reading the description causes chest pain.

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Subject: Re: My medication and what it did Date: 12/6/2012 7:16 PM
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"Good news though, you no longer have to get your chest cracked. They are now starting to use a transcatheter valve. They go in through your femoral artery (just like getting a heart cath or stent), then float a spring loaded device that then opens in place of your valve." JLC
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"Even reading the description causes chest pain." - vkg

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Makes having a Near Death Experience start to sound pretty good.

Art

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Subject: Re: My medication and what it did Date: 12/6/2012 8:16 PM
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"Good news though, you no longer have to get your chest cracked. They are now starting to use a transcatheter valve. They go in through your femoral artery (just like getting a heart cath or stent), then float a spring loaded device that then opens in place of your valve." JLC
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"Even reading the description causes chest pain." - vkg
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Makes having a Near Death Experience start to sound pretty good.

Art
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I'm sure with Obamacare they'll stop using non-organic things like springs and stents and just float a leech up to the effected area.

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Subject: Re: My medication and what it did Date: 12/6/2012 9:25 PM
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This is all in an effort to reduce the work load of the heart muscle and hopefully prevent you from going into congestive heart failure, pulmonary edema, or developing some sort of disrhythmia. Like all meds, some people have side effects. A friend of mine developed a persistent cough after starting an ACE which went away after stopping the drug. You need to talk things over with your physician and get on a drug that will help and not leave you feeling bad. It can be a trial and error situation.

Don't ignore this. I've treated/seen plenty of guys that stopped their medications on their own because it "messed with my nature" (they couldn't get an erection) and wound up having a stroke. Like that's really attractive to a woman.

JLC


Thank you for that, JLC, it confirms my research.

The problem is the side-effects of the drug were being treated as ancillary effects of the presenting problem. It has been an annus horribilus where as the drug’s side effects became more pronounced additional measures were taken – most ineffective.

Possibly my medical doctor thought alleviating the symptoms was preferable to changing the base medication. I don’t know but I will be seeing her in three weeks and that three weeks may have positive results as the medication wears off.

Meantime my naturopath has me on BP herbs and, so far, no adverse reaction to them. I am sleeping better and the stress level has diminished considerably. My appetite is slowly returning.

I may again buy green bananas and books with chapters.

Thanks again for your input.

MichaelR

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Author: warrl Big funky green star, 20000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 658661 of 748792
Subject: Re: My medication and what it did Date: 12/6/2012 10:34 PM
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Good news though, you no longer have to get your chest cracked. They are now starting to use a transcatheter valve. They go in through your femoral artery (just like getting a heart cath or stent), then float a spring loaded device that then opens in place of your valve.

JLC

Even reading the description causes chest pain.


I've known people who had heart surgery the old way, and I've known people who've had heart surgery the new way.

Trust me, you'd rather the new way if it will get done what needs done.

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Author: warrl Big funky green star, 20000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 658680 of 748792
Subject: Re: My medication and what it did Date: 12/7/2012 12:31 AM
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Meantime my naturopath has me on BP herbs and, so far, no adverse reaction to them. I am sleeping better and the stress level has diminished considerably. My appetite is slowly returning.

Are you checking your own blood pressure periodically?

I'd recommend doing that and keeping a log of the results.

(Self-operating bp cuffs are reasonably cheap at many big drug stores. And if you are doubting its accuracy, take it with you to the doctor for direct immediate comparison against theirs - or maybe your local fire station with paramedics, at a reasonable time when they aren't busy.)

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Author: vkg Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 658720 of 748792
Subject: Re: My medication and what it did Date: 12/7/2012 10:32 AM
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Even reading the description causes chest pain.

I've known people who had heart surgery the old way, and I've known people who've had heart surgery the new way.

Trust me, you'd rather the new way if it will get done what needs done.


I believe you.

It doesn't help with the emotional reaction to the description.

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Author: MacNugget Big red star, 1000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 669404 of 748792
Subject: Re: My medication and what it did Date: 1/30/2013 8:36 PM
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As reported on another board, MichaelRead died on Sunday evening. I know he was a regular poster here and I thought it deserved a mention.

http://boards.fool.com/michaelread-30516470.aspx

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Author: Art53 Big funky green star, 20000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 669408 of 748792
Subject: Re: My medication and what it did Date: 1/30/2013 8:42 PM
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"As reported on another board, MichaelRead died on Sunday evening. I know he was a regular poster here and I thought it deserved a mention."
http://boards.fool.com/michaelread-30516470.aspx Macnugget



Oh man! I didn't know. Thank you so much for sharing. I'm going to miss his stories. He was an absolute hoot. I will truly miss him.

Thanks, Art

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Author: CCinOC Big funky green star, 20000 posts Top Recommended Fools Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 669411 of 748792
Subject: Re: My medication and what it did Date: 1/30/2013 8:46 PM
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I'm stunned. What happened?

I always read all his posts. They were funny and relevant and wise.

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Author: Art53 Big funky green star, 20000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 669412 of 748792
Subject: Re: My medication and what it did Date: 1/30/2013 8:47 PM
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We lost another.... Sigh! TNgirl, Gringofool, and now MichaelRead. I'm sort of feeling what my father-in-law felt when he said to me, "everyone I know is dead."

I guess the longer we participate on these boards the more people that we have shared and known will have crossed over to the other side.

I will be thinking about him now for quite a while. He will not be soon forgotten.

Art

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