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Author: RouterX Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: of 1625  
Subject: Need Advice - Engineering Job(s) Date: 3/16/2012 2:39 PM
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I need some advice.

I currently hold a job at a company where I work remotely. I get paid $85k per year. Ever since I started working remotely, my work load has decreased to literally nothing. Yes, I get paid to do nothing and I have been doing NOTHING for almost two years. That's crazy, I know, but it's true. I hold a valuable certification that I think they love to keep on their books as saying 'hey, look who we employ'.

I like to work :) I like to work with other people :)

I have just been offered a job that pays more and I would work in a local office. I'm going to take that job. Because... I DO like to work and I like to work with other people :)

Here's the question... if you were me...

After you started your new job, would you quit the old job (where you do nothing) or would you hold on to it until you were simply phased out (let go)? My family certainly could use the dual-income money to pay off debt, but I also think that my new employer wouldn't like the 'idea' of me being an employee of someone else, even though I 'do nothing'! I think I would have keep that secret from them, although I wonder if there is a way they could find out by doing a check of some sort.

Anyway...

What would you do? Keep or quit the 'do nothing' job?
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Author: dcardno Big red star, 1000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 1575 of 1625
Subject: Re: Need Advice - Engineering Job(s) Date: 3/16/2012 3:06 PM
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I hold a valuable certification that I think they [old employer] love to keep on their books as saying 'hey, look who we employ'.
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I also think that my new employer wouldn't like the 'idea' of me being an employee of someone else... I would have keep that secret from them...

So - how do you like the idea of being fired by both employers, after the new employer stumbles upon the "hey look who we employ" claim?

You might get some sort of buy-in (from both sides) to be 'available' to your old employer on a continuing basis, although who gets the benefit of any payment for your services would have to be negotiated - I wouldn't assume that you will see all of it. You are more likely to get agreement to 'phase yourself out' or 'provide transitional support' or some-such. You are unlikely to be able to arrange ongoing dual employment, although it has been known to happen (more likely if you tell both companies that you wish to be an independent consultant). Trying to arrange it behind their backs is a recipe for disaster. Were I the new employer I would fire you the second I found out about it - and to be honest, I would be very concerned that you would even make such an enquiry.

Cheers,

Dean

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Author: HaltCatchFire Big red star, 1000 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 1576 of 1625
Subject: Re: Need Advice - Engineering Job(s) Date: 3/16/2012 6:11 PM
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After you started your new job, would you quit the old job (where you do nothing) or would you hold on to it until you were simply phased out (let go)? My family certainly could use the dual-income money to pay off debt, but I also think that my new employer wouldn't like the 'idea' of me being an employee of someone else, even though I 'do nothing'! I think I would have keep that secret from them, although I wonder if there is a way they could find out by doing a check of some sort.

There is no way I would pull a stunt like this.

First, review the terms of employment with the old employer. This agreement almost certainly excludes working for another employer. Double dipping leaves you exposed to a claw-back on salary paid while "working" two jobs.

Second, you almost certainly have an intellectual property agreement with the old employer. And you will almost certainly have one with the new employer. So if you invent something, who does it belong to? And are the employers going to sue each other over this? I guarantee you would be fired immediately if this happened.

Third, and this is just me, I would fire you if worked for me and were doing this. I just couldn't trust you going forward. My team has access to very sensitive design information. If I can't trust you, you can't do your job, so you're out of here.

I understand that this seems like money for nothing, and that it's very tempting, but this is an exceedingly bad idea.

Regards,

- HCF

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Author: pauleckler Big funky green star, 20000 posts Top Favorite Fools Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 1577 of 1625
Subject: Re: Need Advice - Engineering Job(s) Date: 3/16/2012 6:16 PM
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Some employers have contracts that require that you work for them exclusively. That is especially true in field sales, where people who represent multiple product lines (manufacturers agents, distributors, dealers) are quite different from the company who hires an exclusive field salesman.

If you do not have an exclusivity or non-compete agreement that conflicts, moonlighting is usually allowed. Most employers like to be informed. And obviously it cannot be with a competitor. But if you can handle both jobs, why not try it until conflicts arise.

Of course when either employer is advised of the other, you risk getting fired. But you could always ask each for permission up front. Sometimes they will easily agree.

Getting permission for outside consulting has not been a problem where I worked.

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Subject: Re: Need Advice - Engineering Job(s) Date: 3/16/2012 10:30 PM
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Getting permission for outside consulting has not been a problem where I worked.

When it's done above-board, sure. I've had folks who taught college classes, sold real estate, even had a band (it's Austin, what can I say?). This isn't a problem. This is the problem, from the OP:

...but I also think that my new employer wouldn't like the 'idea' of me being an employee of someone else, even though I 'do nothing'! I think I would have keep that secret from them...

This is not OK.

Regards,

- HCF

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Subject: Re: Need Advice - Engineering Job(s) Date: 3/16/2012 10:39 PM
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This is not OK.

On the sly means he will probably be fired if current employer finds out.

But asking for permission to consult could let it get by if as he says he is little used and is probably mostly on call for specific needs.

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Author: RouterX Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 1580 of 1625
Subject: Re: Need Advice - Engineering Job(s) Date: 3/16/2012 11:52 PM
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Thanks for the advice everyone. You've helped me confirm the route to take.... Quit the old job.

Thanks.

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