This post doesn't have anything to do with Harley, but I liked it and thought some of you might want to read it, too, so here it is:Speech from the former ACC commander (now retired and not restricted to being politically correct), Gen Hawley.Gen (Ret) Hawley's Remarks:Since the attack, I've seen, heard, and read thoughts of such surpassing stupidity that they must be addressed. You've heard them too. Here they are:1) "We're not good, they're not evil, everything is relative." Listen carefully: We're good, they're evil, nothing is relative. Say it with me now and free yourselves. You see, folks, saying "We're good" doesn't mean, "We're perfect." Okay? The only perfect being is the bearded guy on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. The plain fact is that our country has, with all our mistakes and blunders, always been and always will be, the greatest beacon of freedom, charity, opportunity, and affection in history. If you need proof, open all the borders on Earth and see what happens. In about half a day, the entire world would be a ghost town, and the United States would look like one giant line to see "The Producers."2) "Violence only leads to more violence." This one is so stupid you usually have to be the president of an Ivy League university to say it. Here's the truth, which you know in your heads and hearts already: Ineffective, unfocused violence leads to more violence. Limp, panicky, half-measures lead to more violence. However, complete, fully-thought-through, professional, well-executed violence never leads to more violence because, you see, afterwards, the other guys are all dead. That's right, dead. Not "on trial," not "reeducated," not "nurtured back into the bosom of love." Dead. D-E-Well, you get the idea.3) "The CIA and the rest of our intelligence community has failed us." For 25 years we have chained our spies like dogs to a stake in the ground, and now that the house has been robbed, we yell at them for not protecting us. Starting in the late seventies, under Carter appointee Stansfield Turner, the giant brains who get these giant ideas decided that the best way to gather international intelligence was to use spy satellites. "After all," they reasoned, "you can see a license plate from 200 miles away." This is very helpful if you've been attacked by a license plate. Unfortunately, we were attacked by humans. Finding humans is not possible with satellites. You have to use other humans. When we bought all our satellites, we fired all our humans, and here's the really stupid part. It takes years, decades to infiltrate new humans into the worst places of the world. You can't just have a guy who looks like Gary Busey in a Spring Break '93 sweatshirt plop himself down in a coffee shop in Kabul and say "Hiya, boys. Gee, I sure would like to meet that bin Laden fella." Well, you can, but all you'd be doing is giving the bad guys a story they'll be telling for years.4) "These people are poor and helpless, and that's why they're angry at us." Uh-huh, and Jeffrey Dahmer's frozen head collection was just a desperate cry for help. The terrorists and their backers are richer than Elton John and, ironically, a good deal less annoying. The poor helpless people, you see, are the villagers they tortured and murdered to stay in power. Mohamed Atta, one of the evil scumbags who steered those planes into the killing grounds (I'm sorry, one of the "alleged hijackers," according to CNN-they stopped using the word "terrorist," you know), is the son of a Cairo surgeon. But you knew this, too. In the sixties and seventies, all the pinheads marching against the war were upper-middle-class college kids who grabbed any cause they could think of to get out of their final papers and spend more time drinking. At least, that was my excuse. It's the same today. Take the Anti-Global-Warming (or is it World Trade? Oh-who-knows-what-the-hell-they-want!) demonstrators. They all charged their black outfits and plane tickets on dad's credit card(!) before driving to the airport in their SUV's.5) "Any profiling is racial profiling." Who's killing us here, the Norwegians? Just days after the attack, the New York Times had an article saying dozens of extended members of the gazillionaire bin Laden family living in America were afraid of reprisals and left in a huff, never to return to studying at Harvard and using too much Drakkar. I'm crushed. I think we're all crushed. Please come back. With a cherry on top? Why don't they just change their names, anyway? It's happened in the past. Think about it. How many Adolfs do you run into these days? Shortly after that, I remember watching TV with my jaw on the floor as a government official actually said, "That little old grandmother from Sioux City could be carrying something." Okay, how about this: No, she couldn't. It would never be the grandmother from Sioux City. Is it even possible? What are the odds? Winning a hundred Powerball lotteries in a row? A thousand? A million? And then a Secret Service guy was tossed off a plane and we're all supposed to cry about it because he's an Arab? Didn't it have the tiniest bit to do with the fact that he filled out his forms incorrectly - three times? And then left an Arab history book on his seat as he strolled off the plane? And came back? Armed? Let's please all stop singing "We Are the World" for a minute and think practically. I don't want to be sitting on the floor in the back of a plane four seconds away from hitting Mt. Rushmore and turn, grinning, to the guy next to me to say, "Well, at least we didn't offend them."SO HERE'S what I resolve for the New Year: Never to forget our murdered brothers and sisters. Never to let the relativists get away with their immoral thinking.After all, no matter what your daughter's political science professor says, we didn't start this.Have you seen that bumper sticker that says, "No More Hiroshimas"? I wish I had one that says, "You First. No More Pearl Harbors."
Sorry It never happened. This is an Urban legend.http://www.snopes2.com/Check it out here. Just type in General Hawley in the search boxJimPS just because it didn't happen doesn't mean it shouldn't have.
General Hawley said of the words now mistakenly attributed to him: There is a piece zooming around the internet that attributes some pretty forceful statements to me, Dick Hawley - one time fighter pilot, General, thoughtful consultant, neophyte strategist, master of the artful compromise. The words did not flow from my pen, but if the e-mails mean anything, those words are now indelibly linked to my name. So do me a favor - if you receive this, please send it on to the same people to whom you forwarded the one that I did not write. It's not that I don't share many, if not most, of the sentiments attributed to me, but the piece is just not my style. Here's what I would have said if I'd been asked to comment on those five important issues. 1) Goodness, Evil and Relativity: There are some really good people in this world. They volunteer to help those who need it, and ask nothing in return. There are also some really bad people in this world. They exploit those who need help, or who have less wit or "charisma", and motivate them to join in committing unspeakable acts of cruelty against people they don't even know. Then there are the rest of us. Average people who try each day to do no harm, to provide for their families, to do an occasional act of kindness. The evil that was perpetrated against our land on 9/11 was the product of Mullahs who see our prosperity and power as a threat to their control over the uneducated Muslim masses on whose shoulders they ride through life. And so they preach hate. They are evil. 2) Violence begets violence: It's true. Violence does beget violence. But sometimes there is no alternative but to confront those who would perpetrate evil acts against us. This is one of those times. We are blessed to have courageous men and women willing to put their lives on the line to track down and annihilate those who have been so imbued with evil as to be beyond redemption. But violence is not a strategy. It is a necessary and fully justified reaction to an unimaginable threat. But it is not a strategy. If we are to win this war, we must defeat the Mullahs. And to defeat the Mullahs, we must find ways to separate them from their uneducated flocks. We cannot kill all those who have been taught to hate us, nor should we wish to. Far better to change their minds than to change their state of being. 3) The intelligence community let us down: Well, maybe just a little. Lots of senior and not so senior intelligence people became just as enamored of high tech gadgets as their political masters. The protests over our evisceration of the human intelligence component of the agency were not very loud or forceful. Keeping spies on the ground is a high risk and often dirty business, and it wasn't just liberal politicians who didn't have much stomach for it. 4) Poverty is the breeding ground for terrorists: No, it isn't; but religious extremism is. The Mullahs fear our wealth and power because it shows that a secular society with democratic institutions and a free market economy can do a better job of taking care of its peoples' needs, both spiritual and physical, than the oppressive Islamic regimes that they aspire to lead. The Mullahs are the problem, not poverty, but poverty does make it easier for the Mullahs to spread their evil - as do governments that tolerate and even reinforce their hateful message. 5) Profiling: We are at war here! We are not talking about traffic stops. If we were at war with Iceland, I would expect those charged with our defense to pay very close attention to any Icelander who ventured near our shores. In this war I expect them to pay very close attention to Muslims with ties to the places that spew hatred against us. Random checks when there are no such obvious targets available are a good way to keep the evil ones guessing, but let's not make small children and grandmothers take their shoes off while we watch far more likely candidates walk aboard unchecked. 6) Resolutions: a. Never forget that what happened on September the 11th of 2001 was an act of war. b. Never sit silently by while someone tries to justify what happened on that day as an understandable reaction to U.S. policies in the Middle East or elsewhere. c. Fly our nation's flag proudly - it represents this world's greatest hope to move beyond the pain and suffering that inflict so many across the globe. Richard E. Hawley General, USAF, Retired Former Commander, Air Combat Command
Whaddaya think the percentage of Forwarded e-mail stories that are False is?I'm guessing 99.7%. I might be giving too much benefit of the doubt.Ride on!Vince
This is an Urban legend. http://www.snopes2.com/Check it out here. **********Iharchmage,Wow! Good website, lots of rumor quelling stuff there. Thanks for steering me there.tom
Whaddaya think the percentage of Forwarded e-mail stories that are False is?Happens all the time. My favorite ishttp://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-010622sunscreen.storygallery?coll=chi%2Dnews%2DcolPeople still think Kurt Vonnegut said that at an MIT graduation.
Whaddaya think the percentage of Forwarded e-mail stories that are False is? Probably about the same percentage of those "scientific" studies we hear about all the time... Cabbage is linked to toenail fungus... dcanfiel
Whaddaya think the percentage of Forwarded e-mail stories that are False is?I'm guessing 99.7%. I might be giving too much benefit of the doubt.Ride on!Vince >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It depends Vince.What the originating source was.For example I forward quite a few stories...But ever since I found out about Snopes and other UL sites. I dont forward junk anymore.(Thanks to this board for the sites by the way)Most of what I forward are from recognised news services now (WSJ<REUTERS,times,newspapers and news services)Those aren't (usually) false stories.Jim
Your welcome!!!But you should thank the whole board here!!!!After Many of them firmly showed me that site after I posted some stuff!!!Jim
Gen (Ret) Hawley's Remarks:Since the attack, I've seen, heard, and read thoughts of such surpassing stupidity that they must be addressed. You've heard them too. Here they are:1) "We're not good, they're not evil, everything is relative." Listen carefully: We're good, they're evil, nothing is relative. Say it with me now and free yourselves. You see, folks, saying "We're good" doesn't mean, "We're perfect." Okay? The only perfect being is the bearded guy on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. The plain fact is that our country has, with all our mistakes and blunders, always been and always will be, the greatest beacon of freedom, charity, opportunity, and affection in history...." Right, that's why all the blacks came here.... It was that beacon of freedom!(2) "Violence only leads to more violence." This one is so stupid you usually have to be the president of an Ivy League university to say it. Here's the truth, which you know in your heads and hearts already: Ineffective, unfocused violence leads to more violence. Limp, panicky, half-measures lead to more violence. However, complete, fully-thought-through, professional, well-executed violence never leads to more violence because, you see, afterwards, the other guys are all dead. That's right, dead. Not "on trial," not "reeducated," not "nurtured back into the bosom of love." Dead. D-E-Well, you get the idea....Works in the Middle East. Why not here?--SirTas
lets see-mistakes, blunders, we're not perfect-ok, slavery was bad. that was tough to acknowledge. what other country attracts so many people from so many places? what country would you compare the us to?
Sounds as if SirTas is lowering some bait.I think I'll pass on this fishing trip. Not likely to catch anything worthwhile.V
im too easy
im too easy You still talking about lowered bait?dcanfiel
Right, that's why all the blacks came here.... It was that beacon of freedom! ...He says as if no other country ever had slavery (and the slaves weren't always black, but I guess that's OK)... Beacon of freedom - ya, that's why we have to close our borders, to keep people from getting out, just like Free Cuba, and Free North Korea, and Free China - people are just clamoring to get in those places because they never had slavery. Don't really see what slavery has to do with anything that's happening today. Hey, I'm too easy, too. dcanfiel
<...He says as if no other country ever had slavery (and the slaves weren't always black, but I guess that's OK)...>I recall from my history books that German slaves were quite the rage in old Rome.It never occurred to me to hold that against the Italians!Ride on....Grumpy--born and raised in Germany
Iharchmage, et. al.:I told some friends about snopes, and one of them showed me another website, sort of like snopes, that addresses rumors and other related internet phenomena that you might find interesting:http://truthorfiction.com/Lots of good stuff there, and the search engine is pretty good, too. Hope you like it.Between these two websites, a person should be able to get to the facts about most of the odds, ends, and stories that land in his e-inbox.Tom
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