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Obviously you've not been paying attention. Elizabeth Warren did claim Indian ancestry to gain an advantage on a job application. Go back and read the links in this thread.

There are two explanations: 1) Her parents told her she had Indian heritage and she believe them, and 2) she lied about it to gain advantage.

Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that it’s #2.

Since you are a Trump supporter, tell me if you think that’s worse than lying to people about how the teachers for Trump University are selected and taking their tuition and defrauding them. Worse than not paying vendors who do work for you on your multi-million dollar properties? Worse than physical sexual assault on women? Worse than paying a porn star to stay quiet about an affair you had while your wife was pregnant? Telling voters you’d never play golf and then going golfing practically every weekend?

Is that worse than promising to release his tax returns and then refusing to do so? Is it worse than calling a country and a continent a “s**thole”? I dunno, even at the worst it seems a small issue compared to some of these larger ones, don’t you think?
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Sen. Elizabeth Warren batted down calls for her to take a DNA test to prove her Native American heritage in an interview that aired Sunday.

Perhaps the President should be asked for a DNA test because he does so much to his skin to look like an orangutan? Or would that be a disservice to the good name of orangutans?
https://www.google.com/search?q=orange+president&ie=utf-...
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Perhaps. Did he use his claim of Native American birthright to get jobs at Penn and Harvard? Harvard publicly proclaimed her as a Native American hire.
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Perhaps. Did he use his claim of Native American birthright to get jobs at Penn and Harvard?

Did the orange man use his relationship with Putin to influence the election results?

Which answer is more important?
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This whole DNA thing is kind of a silly fad.

I'm pretty sure, since my ancestors lived in North Carolina for about 300 years, that you'd find just about anything in my DNA (except maybe Asian, but that wouldn't surprise me either). But I don't think my genetic heritage is anyone's business other than my physician and my family.

I'll be glad when we get to the point that no one even fills out that "race" space on forms anymore. We'd be better off if we just didn't answer the question.

As for how Warren answered the question, she had the choice of just saying "White" and pretending that race had never been an issue in her family, or saying that she had some Native American ancestors and try to present her history honestly according to the information that she had.

The whole argument is just trying to make something out of nothing, which is what the whole "race" question is about on all those forms.

So my race is now "decline to answer."
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So...a Senator's DNA is more important than the tax records of the most corrupt President in history?

Or a videotape showing the President bragging about sexually assaulting women?

Or bribing his prostitutes to remain silent about his extra-marital sexcapades?

Or active intervention by the Russians to elect a president they can control?

I can see why Trump's sock puppets are desperate to talk about anything but Trump.
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So you are claiming that she is unqualified?

Or you are claiming that what she was dishonest by repeating what her family would have told her... before there even WERE DNA tests.

There is a point where the inherent dishonesty of the far right wing becomes hostile to logical thought.

The whole DNA thing is clearly and obviously an attempt by the neoliberals to weaken the Democrat most likely to take their toys away from them and send them howling into history, where they will be permanently reviled for the damage that they have done and continue to do to the USA.

This demand for DNA testing from Republican operatives when we have denialist dimwit with delusions of grandeur, dubious morals and debts to foreign powers, leading the country into what may be another civil war, is so incredible that it can't possibly be taken seriously.
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Perhaps the President should be asked for a DNA test because he does so much to his skin to look like an orangutan? Or would that be a disservice to the good name of orangutans?

POS, the president didn't claiming to be of native American extraction in order to get a job.

It was Elizabeth Warren who made that claim to get a job.

If Elizabeth Warren wants to be taken seriously she should either take the DNA test or publicly announce that she made a false claim to get a job.
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Perhaps. Did he use his claim of Native American birthright to get jobs at Penn and Harvard?

Did the orange man use his relationship with Putin to influence the election results?


Avoiding the question are we POS?

Poor loser Hillary had a good chance to win, but she decided to rest on her laurels and waited to be crowned Queen Hillary instead of continuing campaigning right up to the election.
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But I don't think my genetic heritage is anyone's business other than my physician and my family.

Unless you are applying for a job and use race as an ace to win the position.
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Perhaps. Did he use his claim of Native American birthright to get jobs at Penn and Harvard? Harvard publicly proclaimed her as a Native American hire.

BJ Or you are claiming that what she was dishonest by repeating what her family would have told her... before there even WERE DNA tests.

I've seen no evidence that Elizabeth Warren's family told her she was of Native American heritage. Just her claim when she was up for a job.

Elizabeth Warren's claim is right up there with Bill ("I didn't inhale") Clinton's claim that his dead mother loaned him some money when the origins of said money was questioned while he was running for office.

What I have seen is that the Native American's say they have no record of her or her parents being Native Americans.
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Perhaps the President should be asked for a DNA test because he does so much to his skin to look like an orangutan? Or would that be a disservice to the good name of orangutans?

Or just release his tax returns like he SAID he would.
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The Tax Returns would be a remarkably good idea. Moreover, those are actually of real importance with respect to us deciding whether or not he is in fact "his own man".

Whether Ms Warren is or isn't a member of the wannabe tribe is utterly immaterial to her suitability to be running the country. What we don't know about the T'Rump is something that most candidates attempt to at least APPEAR transparent about.

I don't think the T'Rump can afford transparency. He's an embarrassment. You'd think he'd be embarrassed but that appears to be pathologically impossible for him.
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As a Latino, I resent it when people claim to have minority background in order to take advantage of affirmative action and minority hiring practices. Harvard publicized hiring her and bragged about having a Native American on the faculty. She occupied a seat that should rightly have gone to a real minority. She committed fraud.
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POS, the president didn't claiming to be of native American extraction in order to get a job.

True enough, he claimed he could shoot somebody in the middle of 5th avenue and still get elected....I wonder what gave him the confidence when the vote tally was 2.8 million more for his opponent than for him?

That is why I asked the question.

The Presidency is occupied by who was declared to have been the winner, the country is paying the price....he will do for the country what he has done so many times in business.....go bankrupt.....or get out just before it happens if he can....since this board involves economics, I think it well to understand what the outcomes will be in order to position ones assets ahead of the herd.

I think he is a great uniter: he has united women as a political force like they have never been; and he has united the Gen X, Gen Y and millenials like they have never been united; and I think he's also uniting the minority voters as well....but the latter isn't a first, but he may be doing a better job at uniting them than even Obama did....if the election results since November are any indication....

It's all good....I'm glad, frankly, that he won as a GOP candidate....couldn't have asked for a better outcome. Maybe after the drubbing the GOP is going to have to endure we will finally get a truly conservative party in place of what has become a parody of the conservative movement. This country truly needs at least 2 viable Parties and I'd welcome the Party of Ike and be a member of it.

I'm a conservative at heart, I only look Liberal because of how far Right the GOP has moved in the last 25 years. My first Presidential vote was for Nixon, I voted for him for his 2nd term too; I didn't vote for Ford but I voted for Reagan twice and Papa Bush twice.....but then 1994 ushered in a beginning of the abomination the GOP has become.....after watching Ken Starr, I became an Independent. After several elections I decided I wanted a voice in the primaries so I registered Democrat....but I'd still be a Republican if the Party hadn't left me and sanity behind....

Poz
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The Presidency is occupied by who was declared to have been the winner, the country is paying the price....he will do for the country what he has done so many times in business.....go bankrupt.....or get out just before it happens if he can....since this board involves economics, I think it well to understand what the outcomes will be in order to position ones assets ahead of the herd.

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The losers are anyone who wasn't fully invested on Nov 8 2016, ahead of the stampede into stocks. The country IS being payed the price: economic boom and stock market boom. Tax cuts for every American worker. A job for anyone who wants one. The future has never looked so rosy.
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The Right's misogyny knows no bounds. Hopefully white women learned their lesson with the creepy idjit they helped elect.

Ken
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"The future has never looked so rosy."

I agree with your general outlook, but how come deficits/national-debt don't matter when the Republicans are ringing them up ?
I clearly remember how much of an issue this was during the Obama years ( oddly enough, not much of an issue during the GWB years ).
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"So you are claiming that she is unqualified?

No, they relentlessly slandering her in the hopes of destroying a possible presidential campaign. And it probably will work. It did on Hillary.
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Nothing cheers me up in the morning like remembering that Hillary Clinton will never be President.
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DD writes: ... the president didn't claiming to be of native American extraction in order to get a job.

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Trump claimed so many things that turned out to be lies. You voted for a fraud. Nobody takes Trump seriously anymore. He is just a feather in the wind.

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"no member of her family has ever shown up on a list of tribe members or any other birth, marriage or death records dating back to the early 19th century —

Despite her denials of profiting from her claims of Native American ties, she likely never would have been appointed to the faculty of Harvard Law without the distinction of being the first “Indian” there. It was a key point in her rise from an obscure academic to her current position as one of the leading lights of her party’s left wing.

Last month, she showed up at a convention of Native Americans and admitted that without a tribal identity — something that must be based on actual proof — you can’t call yourself an Indian. That’s particularly true nowadays when income from casinos has enabled some tribes to prosper.

Yet she still stuck to her myth..."

https://nypost.com/2018/03/12/warrens-native-american-proble...

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Probably no one would have ever heard of her without the lie. It's part of her now.
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It is impossible to support Trump and pretend to care about honesty and integrity. Trump's Fascist army is just trying to change the subject.
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Trump lies so relentlessly that it is hard to keep up:

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/stateme...
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My thesis is that Trump controls 100% of the pathological liar vote and these boards are proof.
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Right... so she's actually REALLY good and you absolutely HAVE to find some niggling detail to try to distract people from what she does, who she is, and whether or not SHE knows anything more detailed than a story her parents told her BEFORE THERE WERE DNA TESTS!!!

If they told her something and she repeats it because she believes her parents we're supposed to believe it is a lie for some reason.

Despicably dishonest distraction and detraction is the wingnut answer to honesty and openness?

Yes, and that is why the T'Rump is not my President and why you are not going to be heard from for a while.

I hope the Republicans absolutely CRATER in the next rounds of elections.
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As a Latino, I resent it when people claim to have minority background in order to take advantage of affirmative action and minority hiring practices. Harvard publicized hiring her and bragged about having a Native American on the faculty. She occupied a seat that should rightly have gone to a real minority. She committed fraud.

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carbon,

It appears that you are the fraud. Latinos who love Trump are frauds. Do you know that Trump called you a Latino rapist, gang banger, drug pusher and leach. Maybe you like being called those names.

As for Warren, why don't you ask Jeff Sessions to investigate your fraud claim. Nobody has done any investigation and nobody will because it is a non-issue brought up by frauds.

jaagu
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Whether Ms Warren is or isn't a member of the wannabe tribe is utterly immaterial to her suitability to be running the country.

Elizabeth Warren, AKA Pocahontas, is a member of the Wannabe tribe. OK, I'll go for that.;-)
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Nobody takes Trump seriously anymore. He is just a feather in the wind.

You wish. Perhaps you ought to look at the news it's Trump, Trump, Trump.

I don't see Hillary mentioned anymore except when she falls down (again).
https://nypost.com/2018/03/13/hillary-clintons-india-trip-be...

What separates the winners from the losers is how a person reacts to each new twist of fate.
-- Donald Trump
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You wish. Perhaps you ought to look at the news it's Trump, Trump, Trump.

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That is true - I keep hearing:

Trump is an idiot or moron
Trump is a porn star's sugar daddy
Trump is a goofball or a clown
Trump is a liar
Trump is a sleazebag
Trump is a racist
Trump is a Putin lover
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Guess what? Lamb won.

Ken
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http://www.gocomics.com/michaelramirez/2018/03/15

(Yes, I checked a few of them, on the left, and they were real too.)
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Dave, this is the real world. No one claims to be a person of color to get an "advantage." It is far more common for people who do have non-white ancestry to just ignore that and put down "White."

I'm sure you've lived in the real world long enough to know all that, so stop being silly.
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Dave, this is the real world. No one claims to be a person of color to get an "advantage." It is far more common for people who do have non-white ancestry to just ignore that and put down "White."

Obviously you've not been paying attention. Elizabeth Warren did claim Indian ancestry to gain an advantage on a job application. Go back and read the links in this thread.

I'm sure you've lived in the real world long enough to know all that, so stop being silly.

Warren’s central offense dates back to the mid 1980s, when she first formally notified law school administrators that her family tree includes Native Americans. Warren said she grew up with family stories about both grandparents on her mother’s side having some Cherokee or Delaware blood.
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There is no dispute that Warren formally notified officials at the University of Pennsylvania and then Harvard claiming Native American heritage after she was hired.
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At a time when law schools faced public pressure to show greater ethnic diversity within their faculty, the university’s Crimson newspaper quoted a law school spokesman in 1996 saying Warren was Native American.

The Boston Globe followed the Herald with a report that the Association of American Law Schools listed Warren as a minority law teacher each year from 1986 to 1994. In that time, Warren went from being a law professor at the University of Texas, to the University of Pennsylvania, and finally in 1995 to Harvard University.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/dec/01/...

“The joke, I guess, is supposed to be on me,” she said of a taunt that stems from her longstanding claims of American Indian ancestry, which she has been unable to document.

Ms. Warren, speaking from prepared remarks, did not offer new evidence of what she has said is her Cherokee and Delaware heritage, conceding, “You won’t find my family members on any rolls, and I’m not enrolled in a tribe.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/14/us/politics/elizabeth-war...
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As ever, BFD - NOT!

Ken
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I'm sorry Dave, but it isn't a crime to believe what your parents tell you, or to repeat it when asked.

If she can be persuaded to run I'm voting for her. I don't give a rats hinder whether she's a Martian, the policies and politics I have heard from her are agreeable to me.

Just as the politics of the current Administration, Court and both houses of Congress are repugnant.
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As ever, BFD - NOT!

As ever, Pocahontas was lying. Period.
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I'm sorry Dave, but it isn't a crime to believe what your parents tell you, or to repeat it when asked.

If she can be persuaded to run I'm voting for her. I don't give a rats hinder whether she's a Martian, the policies and politics I have heard from her are agreeable to me.


Who said it was a crime? And yes, I believe you will vote for her and/or Hillary regardless of the facts.

Desert (Elizabeth Warren (Pocahontas) is a member of the Wannabe tribe.) Dave
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I'm sorry Dave, but it isn't a crime to believe what your parents tell you, or to repeat it when asked.

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Don't be sorry - you are being ajaxed by DD.

jaagu
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I'm sorry Dave, but it isn't a crime to believe what your parents tell you, or to repeat it when asked.

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Don't be sorry - you are being ajaxed by DD.


BJ should be sorry, he's perpetuating a lie.

And jaagu should be sorry for encouraging him.

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Many people expect Warren to run for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination. Instead of answering the question about the DNA test, she talks about her family story.
http://www.powwows.com/senator-elizabeth-warren-refuses-dna-...

(Posted by Marty Two Bulls)
http://1ynsm7483ffp2lc5j5rs4bu13mm.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/w...
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Obviously you've not been paying attention. Elizabeth Warren did claim Indian ancestry to gain an advantage on a job application. Go back and read the links in this thread.

There are two explanations: 1) Her parents told her she had Indian heritage and she believe them, and 2) she lied about it to gain advantage.

Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that it’s #2.

Since you are a Trump supporter, tell me if you think that’s worse than lying to people about how the teachers for Trump University are selected and taking their tuition and defrauding them. Worse than not paying vendors who do work for you on your multi-million dollar properties? Worse than physical sexual assault on women? Worse than paying a porn star to stay quiet about an affair you had while your wife was pregnant? Telling voters you’d never play golf and then going golfing practically every weekend?

Is that worse than promising to release his tax returns and then refusing to do so? Is it worse than calling a country and a continent a “s**thole”? I dunno, even at the worst it seems a small issue compared to some of these larger ones, don’t you think?
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YOUR parents told you your great grandparents were from Norway for instance; you elect to believe it and say so; DD says you're a liar because you didn't have a DNA test, which nobody ever asked for back when your parents were discussing it.

This greatly debases the word "liar", disrespects someone's parents and makes the conversation useless...

Which is to say, typical of the right wing political spin machine. Dishonest at its core, it cannot believe anyone about anything, the chief difficulty (after memory) for all liars.

...and not a problem that Ms Warren has.

Hmmmm....
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Lying is (or should be) a crime. It is typical of you to not differentiate well between errors and lies. Too many people have been letting the right wing off the hook for their dishonesty, which starts with their dishonesty with themselves.
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BJ should be sorry, he's perpetuating a lie.

Excuse me? Are you competent in the language formerly known as "English"?

DID I AT ANY TIME describe the truth value of any of Ms Warren's actual statements, claims or otherwise?

I said I don't care about whether she is or isn't a member of a tribe. If her parents told her she was descended from the Shah of Iran I'd be equally unimpressed (but more dubious). Lot of people in the USA have some Native American blood back in the past. Supposedly I do as well. Sure I must have mentioned it too... but I don't go get a DNA test to find out because some moron imagines that it is important to prove somehow.

That doesn't perpetuate anything, it simply downgrades it to an appropriate level of concern, which is not distinguishable from zero.

Perhaps you think you can get away with putting words in my mouth but you definitely ought to be rethinking that idea promptly... because that IS something to be sorry for and in other times and places, a shooting offense.
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Since you are a Trump supporter,...

One quibble, every time I start to think Trump is doing things right he up and does something stupid. So I'm kind'a, sort'a a Trump supporter I guess, but I wish he'd straighten up and fly right.

Is that worse than promising to release his tax returns and then refusing to do so? Is it worse than calling a country and a continent a “s**thole”? I dunno, even at the worst it seems a small issue compared to some of these larger ones, don’t you think?

Ayup! But we're comparing apples to oranges with that. Trump, as President, has the power and Elizabeth Warren is a member of the Wantabe tribe.

Desert (honestly I don't know who I'm going to vote for next time) Dave
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YOUR parents told you your great grandparents were from Norway for instance; you elect to believe it and say so; DD says you're a liar because you didn't have a DNA test, which nobody ever asked for back when your parents were discussing it.

No, DD says she's a liar because she won't take a DNA test.

She used the alleged AmerIndian heritage to get a job. Sort of like when Bill Clinton wondered what the meaning of the word 'is' was.
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Lying is (or should be) a crime. It is typical of you to not differentiate well between errors and lies. Too many people have been letting the right wing off the hook for their dishonesty, which starts with their dishonesty with themselves.

Lying is (or should be) a crime. It is typical of you to not differentiate well between errors and lies. Too many people have been letting the left wing off the hook for their dishonesty, which starts with their dishonesty with themselves.

You see, it works both ways.

Desert (if lying was a crime we'd all be in jail) Dave
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... because that IS something to be sorry for and in other times and places, a shooting offense.

whoa! Getting a bit desperate and violent there aren't we?
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Her only response should be "I'm an American. That's the only relevant piece of information you need to know about my ancestry."
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My father told me we had Indian heritage and pointed to an old family photo where there were squaws sitting in the background of a group photo. DNA says no. Mt Grandparents told me someone is in the family line, but my sister checked and it isn't so. At one point it was cool to think you had some Indian blood, so these stories come up and are passed down. BFD.
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Radio host Howie Carr plans to sneak Elizabeth Warren's DNA

Boston radio host Howie Carr revealed Friday that he attempted six years ago to obtain a DNA sample from a pen cap she removed with her teeth before she signed a book-

-and said he plans to try it again unless she agrees to take a test voluntarily.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/18/radio-host-...
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Attacking Elizabeth Warren's integrity while supporting Trump is like...

...somebody come up with an analogy worthy of HURL.
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Somebody probably came up with the right answer. "You can have my DNA when Trump gives up his taxes".
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I have also been told I might have Native American blood back to my father's grandfather. My Dad's last name is extremely German. I have heard all about other German connections on that side. And my mother was actually from Germany, born in Western Germany. (I have her birth certificate and her mother's). Her father was in WWI on the German side. I have investigated where that side of my family is from and it turns out my mother's father was from far eastern Germany in the 19th century. That area is now Poland.

I did a DNA test and I have no Native American blood. Ancestry ethnicity estimates for me are about 49% from the UK, 6% from Ireland/Scotland/Wales and 42% from Eastern Europe including Czech Republic, Poland, Slovakia and Lithuania. They don't even estimate any from Western Germany. I don't know what is up with that, but I assume this is long-term bloodlines for thousands of years.

DD is obviously spewing a Republican talking point. He listens to Fox and/or any other right-wing sources. They are attacking Elizabeth Warren just like they did Hillary Clinton for 25 years. I have had issues with H Clinton but whatever her negatives, they are in no way anywhere close to Trump. (She would have made a good President--great? I have no idea and we never will. Right now I wish she would stop talking in ways that harm the Democratic party.)

Republican operatives are afraid Elizabeth Warren will be the Dem nominee in 2020 and they want to make sure she has all the negatives she possibly can. This is the way Republicans have been operating since the 1980s or maybe even earlier. They have no scruples and the relentless attacks are character assassination. Of course Democrats do opposition research and attack their opponents. But I have never seen them build a campaign from the bottom up spewing hate and nonsense for decades to retain power. Republicans have no ethics, no scruples, and as we can see they don't even love America. Republicans in Congress are supporting Trump and that says it all. History will not be kind to the modern Republican party.
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We could start a #metoo movement here. My family tends to have high cheek bones an Indian trait we are told and likely have Indian blood lol! I think a lot of families romanticize their family lore and the stuff rolls down hill.
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I did a DNA test and I have no Native American blood. Ancestry ethnicity estimates for me are about 49% from the UK, 6% from Ireland/Scotland/Wales and 42% from Eastern Europe including Czech Republic, Poland, Slovakia and Lithuania. They don't even estimate any from Western Germany. I don't know what is up with that, but I assume this is long-term bloodlines for thousands of years.

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UK/English DNA is mostly from the Germanic Anglo-Saxons from around 600 AD.
Irish/Scottish/Wales DNA is mostly from Celtic, French, Spanish over thousands of years.
Eastern Europe is mostly Slavic DNA with many other ethnic DNAs mixed in over thousands of years.

DNA has legs and it only takes one generation for an person with Eastern Europe DNA to go to Western Germany. There were many connections between Western Germany and Eastern Europe during that last 1000 years due to wars, trading, countries rising/falling, borders shifting back/forth, and mass migrations. We are all a mixture of various Haplogroups - some more than others. Isolated countries like Finland and Ireland make be more homogenous than countries like Germany.

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.sh...

My ethnic makeup estimates are 54% Eastern Europe, 36% Finland, 10% Scandinavia. My male Haplogroup is N1c based on Y-DNA tests. My N1c subgroup is mainly from the Baltic countries, but then there are people in UK that share my Haplogroup because some Baltic/Finland sailor land and stay in UK. I can trace my ancestors back to late 1600s and early 1700s from church records in Estonia. The Baltic countries have been dominated for 800 years by Danish, Swedish, Polish, German and Russian masters.

DNA is opening up a new way of seeing how much migration of people happened over hundreds of years.
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believing that a Nigerian Prince randomly chose you to funnel funds out of his country.

naaah - there have to be better ones
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Desert (if lying was a crime we'd all be in jail) Dave

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Well some people will have much longer jail time than others. I think you and Trump should get life without parole.

jaagu
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Desert (if lying was a crime we'd all be in jail) Dave

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I just noticed that you are getting no recs and others getting mega recs for attacking your political garbage.
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Warren’s central offense dates back to the mid 1980s, when she first formally notified law school administrators that her family tree includes Native Americans.

I am adopted. At age 28 (which was earlier than the 1980s) I discovered who my biological mother was, nothing about my biological father. I was informed by the only one of 6 half-siblings that I've ever met, he was a Colonel serving duty at the Pentagon and living in a DC suburb when I took a train from Philadelphia to meet with him. I was not of the same father as him, three of the half-siblings were supposedly of the same genetic father. When I met her in a solo meeting at her apartment in a not too nice neighborhood in Philadelphia, my biological mother was in no mental condition to carry on a conversation (one of the lessons I took from that meeting was that if I thought I was old to ask the question, then I was old enough to deal with the answer). However my half-brother informed me that my mother was part English and part French, I was raised, after adoption, in an Irish-German household....I give this background to ask a question: If I list being "white" on an application am I lying if it turns out through genetic testing that I have Hispanic, Black, or Asian genetics? I mean, I'm going by what I believe to be true but has never really been genetically tested.

Did being "white" on an application provide me with benefits pre-Civil-Rights Era? Am I to blame if it did?

Man, you're really making a molehill out of a grain of sand with this stuff....."Bring me your tired, hungry, and genetically correct, yearning to be free...."....wait, I don't remember that as the correct recitation of that poem....perhaps you can have a historian rewrite the poem?.....I mean, after all, isn't history written by the winners....and Native Americans were definitely not the winners against the "white" man?
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"Man, you're really making a molehill out of a grain of sand with this stuff....."

It's what they do, and sadly it works with The Deplorables.

Ken
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Y'know I don't have to respond to people who can't figure out what's not important and what is.

I don't have to deal with your issues because they are YOURS, they don't impact on any part of the real world or any important political, social or physical problem on this planet, they are entirely in the minds of the people who are promoting them ahead of all the real troubles that plague our civilization.

So you go and rattle on without me mate. Grey is the color I choose to paint you.
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Wow, that really cleaned up this forum :-)
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Right now I wish she would stop talking in ways that harm the Democratic party.

Er... doesn't that mean she should stop talking?

Republicans have no ethics, no scruples, and as we can see they don't even love America.

Democrats have no ethics, no scruples, and as we can see they don't even love America.

See? It works with both parties but probably paints with too broad a brush.

Hillary Clinton Has a 40-Year History of Breaking the Law, Enriching Herself & Lying About It
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/11/14/newt-gingrich-hillary-...

Of course you won't believe a word of it (if you even read it) but he makes a good case.

As Investigations Of Misconduct Mount, Can Hillary Clinton Avoid Jail?
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/as-investigati...
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Desert (if lying was a crime we'd all be in jail) Dave

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Well some people will have much longer jail time than others. I think you and Trump should get life without parole.


What a coincidence, jaagu, I was just thinking the same thing about you and Hillary.
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I just noticed that you are getting no recs and others getting mega recs for attacking your political garbage.

On THIS board I'm surprised when I get any rec's.
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.....I mean, after all, isn't history written by the winners....and Native Americans were definitely not the winners against the "white" man?

You haven't been to an Native American casino lately have you?

If you want to blame genes you'll be on shaky ground. History shows us that when a more technologically advanced group encounters a less advanced group the less advanced group often (almost always?) comes out on the short end of the stick. The only exceptions I can think of off hand are when sheer numbers outweigh the technology.

The Roman Legions beat just about everybody until Rome became to corrupt to maintain control.

Then there were the Mongols who beat the Chinese when the Chinese government had become to corrupt to resist.

The Europeans brushed the AmerIndians aside in North and South America and almost succeeded in Africa.
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What a coincidence, jaagu, I was just thinking the same thing about you and Hillary.

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You are not original - just another copycat!
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Why is it OK for Liz to lie and to take a Harvard job that should have gone to a real minority?

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Why is it OK for Trump to lie everyday and do great harm to millions of people?
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What a coincidence, jaagu, I was just thinking the same thing about you and Hillary.

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You are not original - just another copycat!


Why would anyone want to waste time being original while arguing with a billboard?
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Why is it OK for Liz to lie and to take a Harvard job that should have gone to a real minority?

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Why is it OK for Trump to lie everyday and do great harm to millions of people?


Please name the "millions of people" Trump has harmed and how he has harmed them.

TIA
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You haven't been to an Native American casino lately have you?

Gee, no, only the Hard Rock in Seminole Florida.....last time I admit was about 5 years ago....but I made a fair piece of money playing Texas Hold'Em....

Are you staking out the position that because today's remaining Native Americans own some casinos that this justifies the slaughter of most Indian nations?

If you want to blame genes you'll be on shaky ground.

Exactly the point as to why your title to this thread and the first post has garnered so much response. As I indicated, you are trying to make a molehill out of a grain of sand, and by this comment you knew it when you started the thread....so what does that indicate?

History shows us that when a more technologically advanced group encounters a less advanced group the less advanced group often (almost always?) comes out on the short end of the stick.

Exactly the reason Americans should make quality education a national number one priority in fact and not just in electioneering. The kind of education the far right endorses ensures a less advanced population, because the focus is on yesterday (biblical) or on what happens after life, or in promoting the notion that dinosaurs co-existed with humans.....which is ironic in a way, as it ends up being a self-fulfilling approach as the product of that "education" is a populace that is, in modern terms, akin to being dinosaurs.

Let's keep confusing the scientific meaning of "theory" with the everyday usage of "theory" so that we can position faith-based education as equal to science-based education....and we too can become ripe for extinction.
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You haven't been to an Native American casino lately have you?

Gee, no, only the Hard Rock in Seminole Florida.....last time I admit was about 5 years ago....but I made a fair piece of money playing Texas Hold'Em....


My wife plays Bingo at the local Indian casino. She only remembers her winnings too.

Are you staking out the position that because today's remaining Native Americans own some casinos that this justifies the slaughter of most Indian nations?

No.
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Elizabeth Warren did claim Indian ancestry to gain an advantage on a job application

No, she didn't. And she didn't get any advantage. This is crap spread by people who have no interest in honesty.

The universities did, quite dishonestly, list her as a minority, and that is on them, not her. And it is just another example of how people who actually look like persons of color get no advantage. Historically White institutions find ways to manipulate their statistics and their image, but the notion that they favor people of color is just nuts.

It reminds me of a little incident at work. I was middle management, and our chief exec asked me if I though "we had a problem." I told her, yes, we do. Look at the staff meeting, and then look at the director's meeting. It was completely obvious that promotions and hiring were quite biased, and all you had to do was look.

Now, Dave, open your eyes and look at the world you live in. All you have to do is look, sir.
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I have also been told I might have Native American blood back to my father's grandfather.

I've been told that all my ancestors came from England and Scotland (and ok, maybe Ireland, but we don't talk about that).

I don't believe a word of it, and I haven't had a DNA test, because Frankly, I don't give a darn.
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The universities did, quite dishonestly, list her as a minority, and that is on them, not her.

Hello! They listed her as a minority because she claimed to be a minority.

Now, WilliB, open your eyes and look at the world you live in. All you have to do is look, sir.
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That statement is very telling.

First it indicates that since you married someone who is dishonest


It indicates no such thing, but your statement indicates you are prone to dishonesty.
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DD:
My wife plays Bingo at the local Indian casino. She only remembers her winnings too.

Poz:
That statement is very telling.

First it indicates that since you married someone who is dishonest


DD:
It indicates no such thing, but your statement indicates you are prone to dishonesty.

Let's see, you indicate that your wife only remembers her winnings.....that, to me, is akin to saying she lies about her overall Bingo results.....or has selective memory about the events...what else could it mean? That's not dishonesty on my part, it is merely an observation of the implication of your statement, using your own words.

Logic is logic and when it is tossed back at you when you are free with your insinuations, then don't be a wimp about it....own your own statements....or has cognitive bias gotten so much a hold onto your thought processes that anything you disagree with is "fake news"?
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Not a sir. Not that it matters.
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DD:
My wife plays Bingo at the local Indian casino. She only remembers her winnings too.

Poz:
That statement is very telling.

First it indicates that since you married someone who is dishonest

DD:
It indicates no such thing, but your statement indicates you are prone to dishonesty.

Let's see, you indicate that your wife only remembers her winnings.....that, to me, is akin to saying she lies about her overall Bingo results.....


Don't be stupid. Like most people who drop a dollar in the one armed bandits in Las Vegas people who gamble remember their wins and forget their losses. It isn't dishonesty, just selective memory as you admitted.

It's plain to see that anything you disagree with is categorized as "fake news" in your mind.
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Not a sir. Not that it matters.

Now, WilliB, open your eyes and look at the world you live in. All you have to do is look, sir.
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