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Author: JoshRandall Big gold star, 5000 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: of 736900  
Subject: Paula Priesse on 0'Care Date: 2/2/2013 11:18 AM
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February 1st – Doctors hate it. Hospitals hate it. Businesses hate it. Now even many unions hate it. Obamacare is the biggest pack of lies ever foisted upon the American public. From CNSNews.com: “In a final regulation issued Wednesday, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) assumed that under Obamacare the CHEAPEST health insurance plan available in 2016 for a family will cost $20,000 for the year.” Not a misprint, the cheapest family plan (2 adults 3 children) will be 20 grand a year! All for longer waits, reduced medical services & 28-hour workweeks. Something this diabolical is no accident. We all know Obamacare’s real objective is to bankrupt hospitals and the private insurance industry. Talking to his AFL-CIO buddies in 2003 O said this: "I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer universal health care program.” One of the few times O ever told the truth. Sorry Jimmy Carter, the torch has now been passed. O is indisputably the WORST PRESIDENT EVER! Mr. President, you sir are a disgrace. P
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Subject: Re: Paula Priesse on 0'Care Date: 2/2/2013 8:45 PM
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Actually, the Obama administration floated the single-payer concept during the ACA negotiations as well, Josh--well after 2003, of course. Single payer would dramatically reduce wasteful administrative costs, and it has worked just fine in a number of advanced countries. As numerous posters on the Fool have repeatedly pointed out, private health insurance companies offer _no_ added value to the equation.

And please don't conflate insurance with private health care or hospitals. That's a familiar rhetorical trick, but it has no basis in fact. No one who gets a reasonable hearing has ever suggested socialized medicine in the United States. But each time the prospect of single payer comes up here, fear mongers trot out the silly "commie" smear and start talking us down the path of Armageddon.

The mongering over the ACA resembles the strategy in the face of devastating man-made global warming: change will have short-term negative consequences, so better not to do anything at all, even though inaction imperils us all. Even proponents of the ACA have never proclaimed it flawless, though of course that hardly inhibits the conservative "straw men." Obama had to make numerous concessions to the private insurance lobby in order to make piecemeal, somewhat-unsatisfactory changes. We are headed toward single-payer, though; we will get there eventually. Meanwhile, corporatists will scream madly and daily about communism and the loss of "freedom."

Steve

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Subject: Re: Paula Priesse on 0'Care Date: 2/2/2013 9:21 PM
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Single payer would dramatically reduce wasteful administrative costs, and it has worked just fine in a number of advanced countries.

Sorry, this is true only if you don't mind glossing over its severe problems. In fact, most countries with single payer rely on people buying medical care (and, frequently, medical-care insurance) beyond what the single payer system offers. This is even true in some single-provider countries.

Single payer is utterly incapable of simultaneously providing quality care to everyone and controlling costs. With or without single provider.

Besides, the US already has single payer - and it's the most expensive, lowest quality, part of our health-care system. On top of which, doctors are rejecting it.

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Subject: Re: Paula Priesse on 0'Care Date: 2/2/2013 10:58 PM
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"Besides, the US already has single payer - and it's the most expensive, lowest quality, part of our health-care system. On top of which, doctors are rejecting it. "


The paperwork for Medicare is horrendous. The doc and staff spends tens of thousands of hours filling in codes......then the goons with no medical background start rejecting them, figuring they know 'statically' what you need....and the doc goes round and round trying to get re-imbursed....

Half the docs now won't take new Medicare patients and Medicaid people have it even worse trying to find a doc that will take them.

Even worse is the Veteran's medical system...full on incompetent docs and lines and lines and lines just to get an appointment to see a doc who may or may not show up that week....for the appointment. The islamo doc who went beserk in Ft Killeen was one. He made about 30% of his appointments. No one cared. no one would fire him. they needed every doc they could find, even if they were horribly incompetent or uncaring.

The lines just to get an appointment are everywhere at the VA. You need a specialist? MIGHT BE YEARS!



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Subject: Re: Paula Priesse on 0'Care Date: 2/3/2013 2:58 AM
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The paperwork for Medicare is horrendous. The doc and staff spends tens of thousands of hours filling in codes......then the goons with no medical background start rejecting them, figuring they know 'statically' what you need....and the doc goes round and round trying to get re-imbursed....

Not to mention fraud is rampant in the Medicare system.

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Subject: Re: Paula Priesse on 0'Care Date: 2/3/2013 9:20 AM
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"Besides, the US already has single payer - and it's the most expensive, lowest quality, part of our health-care system. On top of which, doctors are rejecting it. "


The paperwork for Medicare is horrendous. The doc and staff spends tens of thousands of hours filling in codes......then the goons with no medical background start rejecting them, figuring they know 'statically' what you need....and the doc goes round and round trying to get re-imbursed....

Half the docs now won't take new Medicare patients and Medicaid people have it even worse trying to find a doc that will take them.

Even worse is the Veteran's medical system...full on incompetent docs and lines and lines and lines just to get an appointment to see a doc who may or may not show up that week....for the appointment. The islamo doc who went beserk in Ft Killeen was one. He made about 30% of his appointments. No one cared. no one would fire him. they needed every doc they could find, even if they were horribly incompetent or uncaring.


And how is Medicaid?

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Subject: Re: Paula Priesse on 0'Care Date: 2/3/2013 10:15 AM
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Actually, the Obama administration floated the single-payer concept during the ACA negotiations as well, Josh--well after 2003, of course. Single payer would dramatically reduce wasteful administrative costs, and it has worked just fine in a number of advanced countries. As numerous posters on the Fool have repeatedly pointed out, private health insurance companies offer _no_ added value to the equation.
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THe fact that any group of folks pointed out that government is better and cheaper in the long run after it eliminates all concept of competition is not surprising.

Monopolies are always the best long term solution and work so well every time they are established there is never any problem there. As long of course as there is no greedy capitalist to milk profit.

The easiest and most obvious one to look at, and the way progress was at the speed of light, services never decreased and price was asa low as imaginable of course is the Post Office.

The fact that folks you suck up to say stupid stuff does not make it so.

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Subject: Re: Paula Priesse on 0'Care Date: 2/3/2013 11:31 AM
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The easiest and most obvious one to look at, and the way progress was at the speed of light, services never decreased and price was asa low as imaginable of course is the Post Office.

I see the point you're trying to make, but I'm a big fan of the Post Office. I can send a small packet (letter) from one end of the country to the other with amazing reliability for 45 cents.

On the other hand, a letter is not heart surgery.

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Subject: Re: Paula Priesse on 0'Care Date: 2/3/2013 12:19 PM
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I see the point you're trying to make, but I'm a big fan of the Post Office. I can send a small packet (letter) from one end of the country to the other with amazing reliability for 45 cents.

On the other hand, a letter is not heart surgery.
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The Post Office, without the competition that came from multiple carriers was on a downward trajectory that people seem to forget.

Letters were being lost, delivery times were getting longer, packages were disappearing. Then came ------ COMPETITION

The lines got shorter, the service got better, rates got lower and increased at a lower rate than anything else

You want cheap? Look at non-cable TV-- the stuff you can essentially get for free. All those channels that work at a profit for advertising. Imagine a world where there were a private post office allowed to deliver crap to your home and make money off of it.

I see someone that would do a much better job than the Post Office has ever done, and do it cheaper, and not have the overhead of a retirement system they will never get out from under and one that would have innoavted a lot more over the last twenty five years

I think you did something here, that I rarely see you do. You fell for the liberal trap of what is not what could have/should have been. Government delivered a mediocre but working system -- what could we have

Government delivered a system that we are looking to make less convenient and deciding for people how that will be done -- private industry would have solved that decades ago

I like a system where I can deliver stuff for 45 cents to anywhere in the world. Maybe it does not make sense, since there are a ton of other ways to do it. Maybe it does make sense and someone would be doing it cheaper, maybe it is as good as it could possible be and someone would be doing it for the same amount

I find it almost impossible to believe that someone would be doing it worse than the current Post Office considering the possible revenue involved and the business implications etc.

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Subject: Re: Paula Priesse on 0'Care Date: 2/3/2013 12:35 PM
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I see the point you're trying to make, but I'm a big fan of the Post Office. I can send a small packet (letter) from one end of the country to the other with amazing reliability for 45 cents.
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You aren't sending a letter for 45 cents if the Post Office is losing 7 billion a year or whatever they are losing. They aren't running at a profit, they have billions in pension costs that we are subsidizing. I'd like to see what the cost would be if the doors of perception were cleansed.

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Subject: Re: Paula Priesse on 0'Care Date: 2/3/2013 12:40 PM
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You aren't sending a letter for 45 cents if the Post Office is losing 7 billion a year or whatever they are losing. They aren't running at a profit, they have billions in pension costs that we are subsidizing. I'd like to see what the cost would be if the doors of perception were cleansed.
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Thanks 28s, there is just so much wrong with the Post Office that it is scary that folks who understand that government is not a pure package of good do not see what a pit it is.

I forgot to mention this one piece of the obvious as well as the way it is to a degree a money laundering function as well to play make believe with the budget.

There is so much there, all of it bad, and even sane folks can still defend it, the brainwashing we undergo is so massive it is hard to overcome even as individuals.

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Subject: Re: Paula Priesse on 0'Care Date: 2/3/2013 2:14 PM
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"As numerous posters on the Fool have repeatedly pointed out, private health insurance companies offer _no_ added value to the equation."

Almost laughed coffee up through my nose on this comment. The incompetence of some amazes me.

Good private health insurance companies are a great value. The best insurance companies work to negotiate with hospitals and doctors the lowest possible cost to deliver medical care. Good insurance companies work hard to make sure they have contracts with the best/most popular local hospitals, otherwise they will lose customers. They work to keep administrative costs down, so they can offer competitively priced medical plans to subscribers.

Government single payer systems are the opposite.

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Subject: Re: Paula Priesse on 0'Care Date: 2/3/2013 5:26 PM
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The Post Office, without the competition that came from multiple carriers was on a downward trajectory that people seem to forget.
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Unrelated:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/usps-immune-local-traffi...

A government lawyer’s attempt to get dismissed nearly $700 in traffic tickets given to the U.S. Postal Service is being met with a hearty and humorous, Heck no.

In a Jan. 22 letter sent to both the city of East Cleveland, Ohio, and the company that operates the city's photo-enforcement program, Postal Service attorney Jennifer S. Breslin says two school-zone speeding citations and five red-light infractions by postal trucks in December should be ignored.

“In providing mail service across the country, the Postal Service attempts to work within local and state laws and regulations, when feasible,” wrote Breslin, after reminding “To Whom It May Concern” that postal workers promptly deliver over 200 billion pieces of mail annually.

“However, as you are probably aware, the Postal Service enjoys federal immunity from state and local regulation,” she continued.
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Follow that logic and then extend it to health care.

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Subject: Re: Paula Priesse on 0'Care Date: 2/3/2013 5:32 PM
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Single payer would dramatically reduce wasteful administrative costs...

Single payer would work in medicine if it was like all the other single payer transactions taking place everyday, i.e., the single payer is you and me, the consumer.

JLC

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Subject: Re: Paula Priesse on 0'Care Date: 2/3/2013 5:37 PM
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And how is Medicaid?

Its a government run system too, so it sucks just as bad.

The only big difference, IIRC, medicaid can vary widely from state to state. For example, reimbursement rates differ greatly (for example, labor epidurals) between Texas and Louisiana. Since my hospital is about 30 miles from the border, we occasionally get Texas Medicaid patients (fortunately much less since the retirement of one jackwagon). The reimbursement rate is so low, that I would be minus $$$ after paying my billing agent to handle the paperwork.

Then throw on top all the paperwork and cost involved just to be a Texas Medicaid doctor and its a tails you win heads I lose scenario.

JLC

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Subject: Re: Paula Priesse on 0'Care Date: 2/3/2013 8:19 PM
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"As numerous posters on the Fool have repeatedly pointed out, private health insurance companies offer _no_ added value to the equation."

A comment reflecting someone more than a few cards short of a full deck.

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Subject: Re: Paula Priesse on 0'Care Date: 2/4/2013 10:14 AM
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Actually, the Obama administration floated the single-payer concept during the ACA negotiations as well, Josh--well after 2003, of course. Single payer would dramatically reduce wasteful administrative costs, and it has worked just fine in a number of advanced countries. As numerous posters on the Fool have repeatedly pointed out, private health insurance companies offer _no_ added value to the equation.

And please don't conflate insurance with private health care or hospitals. That's a familiar rhetorical trick, but it has no basis in fact. No one who gets a reasonable hearing has ever suggested socialized medicine in the United States. But each time the prospect of single payer comes up here, fear mongers trot out the silly "commie" smear and start talking us down the path of Armageddon.

The mongering over the ACA resembles the strategy in the face of devastating man-made global warming: change will have short-term negative consequences, so better not to do anything at all, even though inaction imperils us all. Even proponents of the ACA have never proclaimed it flawless, though of course that hardly inhibits the conservative "straw men." Obama had to make numerous concessions to the private insurance lobby in order to make piecemeal, somewhat-unsatisfactory changes. We are headed toward single-payer, though; we will get there eventually. Meanwhile, corporatists will scream madly and daily about communism and the loss of "freedom."

Steve


Ignorance and arrogance are a dangerous combination.

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Subject: Re: Paula Priesse on 0'Care Date: 2/4/2013 10:26 AM
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Follow that logic and then extend it to health care.

That's yet another issue that the geniuses on the left can't seem to understand. Those that get shafted by private insurance companies today can at least sue them. When our children get shafted by GubmintCare, *no law suit can be brought*. What part of *immunity* do these self-appointed Wile E Coyote Super Geniuses not get?

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Subject: Re: Paula Priesse on 0'Care Date: 2/4/2013 11:15 AM
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Follow that logic and then extend it to health care.

That's yet another issue that the geniuses on the left can't seem to understand. Those that get shafted by private insurance companies today can at least sue them. When our children get shafted by GubmintCare, *no law suit can be brought*. What part of *immunity* do these self-appointed Wile E Coyote Super Geniuses not get?


Well, you see, that's proof of how good GubmintCare is - there will be no court judgments that it has failed to deliver as promised!

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Subject: Re: Paula Priesse on 0'Care Date: 2/4/2013 9:50 PM
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I see the point you're trying to make, but I'm a big fan of the Post Office. I can send a small packet (letter) from one end of the country to the other with amazing reliability for 45 cents.


Actually, it went up to 46 cents on January 27. But as I've seen it throughout my lifetime at least, postal rate increases have pretty much been in line with the general CPI. I have no complaints there.

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Subject: Re: Paula Priesse on 0'Care Date: 2/4/2013 9:54 PM
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In a Jan. 22 letter sent to both the city of East Cleveland, Ohio, and the company that operates the city's photo-enforcement program, Postal Service attorney Jennifer S. Breslin says two school-zone speeding citations and five red-light infractions by postal trucks in December should be ignored.


I'm familiar with East Cleveland and I can tell you that you might want to consider running red lights there -- if you value your safety, that is.

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Subject: Re: Paula Priesse on 0'Care Date: 2/5/2013 8:09 AM
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What part of *immunity* do these self-appointed Wile E Coyote Super Geniuses not get?

Unfortunately this is not a new illness.

Several years ago at the local medical society meeting, the big discussion was about malpractice insurance rates and how tort lawyers were trying to bankrupt the system*. Then one old surgeon stood up and "reprimanded" us for worrying about malpractice suits. Then he went on to talk about how he had been practicing medicine for almost 50 years and had never been sued. I was about to stand up and rebuke the old geezer but I didn't want to embarrass him. Instead I just felt embarrassed for him. He had forgotten that his entire career was either in the military or at the state teaching hospital. He had immunity his entire career.

JLC

*Louisiana was one of the first to place a cap on "pain and suffering"

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Subject: Re: Paula Priesse on 0'Care Date: 2/5/2013 8:30 AM
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I was about to stand up and rebuke the old geezer but I didn't want to embarrass him. Instead I just felt embarrassed for him. He had forgotten that his entire career was either in the military or at the state teaching hospital. He had immunity his entire career.
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And THIS is how liberalism took root.

Not a reprimand or anything, but we all good naturedly let morons go on their merry way instead of shutting them up. We didn't go in when our kids teachers thought them stuff we didn't like etc.

To those of you believing compromise is the way out, well maybe, it sure as hell was the way in.

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Subject: Re: Paula Priesse on 0'Care Date: 2/5/2013 10:57 AM
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Speaking of Obamacare and "skyrocketing healthcare costs". You know how liberals like to talk about us spending more on healthcare than any other country? It's their favorite talking point for, oddly enough, a government takeover. They never mention our education spending which if you look at a chart, goes from the lower left to the upper right. For some reason more money is the answer there. But getting back to my story, i heard Krauthammer yesterday say the cause of a great deal of healthcare spending, according to a Massachussettes study is that approximetely 25% of referals and tests are a direct result of litigation risk, basically ass covering, because of high litigation risk. Remember, trial lawyers contribute heavily to democrats, so nothing was done about that in Obamacare. Obamacare, or "The Affordable Healthcare Act", has nothing to do with bringing down costs, as evidenced by the lowest price family plan being estimated at $20,000 a friggin' year. Obama voters should definitely all be tasered.

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Subject: Re: Paula Priesse on 0'Care Date: 2/5/2013 2:01 PM
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"The Affordable Healthcare Act", has nothing to do with bringing down costs, as evidenced by the lowest price family plan being estimated at $20,000 a friggin' year. Obama voters should definitely all be tasered.

Nothing with them will click until they have a taste of their own medicine. Even then, they'd laud Obamacare as seniors and others are denied life improving, life saving treatments. They want to get rid of us, pronto. That's part of Obama's fractured deficit reduction plan. My own cardiologist lamented that there will be patients he'll have to inform that he cannot do a much needed procedure for them. You could tell he's upset by what lay ahead in the near future. It's frightening.

As for cost, you can pay out the ying yang for medical insurance but every kind of treatment falls within the parameters set forth in the ACA and being pre-approved or denied by some wonk who may or may not be thoroughly schooled in the law. Deviousness.

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