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Subject: PeterRabit Date: 12/7/2012 7:57 PM
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Remember when you were bashing those of us to the right of Karl Marx for our supposed endorsement of persecuting pot smokers? I wonder what you have to say about this article?

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/12/07/choom-gang-alumnus-thi...

“Choom Gang” alumnus thinking of overriding states that legalized marijuana use
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Subject: Re: PeterRabit Date: 12/7/2012 8:06 PM
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On many subjects, Obama is woefully mainstream.

Peter

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Subject: Re: PeterRabit Date: 12/7/2012 10:43 PM
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On many subjects, Obama is woefully mainstream

At least you're honest about it and not coming up with some bizarre rationalization defense of Obama simply because he's Obama, thus can never do any wrong.

I did find it amazing that a knuckle-dragging reactionary like me favors decriminalization, but the most liberal member of the Senate (when he was there) doesn't.

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Subject: Re: PeterRabit Date: 12/7/2012 10:59 PM
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wvr I did find it amazing that a knuckle-dragging reactionary like me favors decriminalization, but the most liberal member of the Senate (when he was there) doesn't.

Oh, I think Obama does favor legalization or decriminalization PRIVATELY. He's just not going to say so for political reasons. I think Obama is a total pragmatist. (Which is funny considering how many conservatives believe he is a total ideologue.) He has bigger fish to fry than marijuana and he is not going to expend political capital on that subject.

Note the way he publicly opposed gay marriage until it was no longer that costly to support it.

I hope he and his legal guys come up with a minimalist approach to Washington and Colorado.

Peter

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Subject: Re: PeterRabit Date: 12/7/2012 11:03 PM
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Which is funny considering how many conservatives believe he is a total ideologue

You do read the reasoning behind such sentiments, don't you?

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Subject: Re: PeterRabit Date: 12/7/2012 11:11 PM
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wvr You do read the reasoning behind such sentiments, don't you?

You mean why would conservatives see Obama as a liberal?

Sure, I can see that. What I laugh at is all this bunk about how he is a communist or socialist. I talked with a Republican on election day who assured me Obama is a communist because of his "mentors".

He is no more nor less a socialist than FDR. Which I suppose is 100% in some people's eyes.

BTW what we have in the US (as I have often posted) is a MIXED ECONOMY. Some parts capitalism (profit driven) and some parts socialism (government driven). This is the STANDARD MODEL for first world economies.

Check out Israel sometime.

Peter

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Subject: Re: PeterRabit Date: 12/7/2012 11:12 PM
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PR wrote: Oh, I think Obama does favor legalization or decriminalization PRIVATELY. He's just not going to say so for political reasons.

Barack Hussein Owebama is not anything like he pretends to be--as the country will find out four years from now.

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Subject: Re: PeterRabit Date: 12/7/2012 11:17 PM
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PR wrote: He is no more nor less a socialist than FDR. Which I suppose is 100% in some people's eyes.


That's right. FDR was beloved by the American people--elected four times; served three full 4-year terms--for precisely the reason expressed by Mitt Romney: "He gave them gifts."

I think someone on this board posted a cartoon that said, "In a nation full of children, Santa Clause always wins."

While society circles the drain.

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Subject: Re: PeterRabit Date: 12/7/2012 11:20 PM
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BTW what we have in the US (as I have often posted) is a MIXED ECONOMY. Some parts capitalism (profit driven) and some parts socialism (government driven). This is the STANDARD MODEL for first world economies.

OK, so if Billy jumped off a bridge, does that make it wise?

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Subject: Re: PeterRabit Date: 12/7/2012 11:22 PM
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While society circles the drain

We're way past circling the drain. We're past the gas trap and on our way to the sewer.

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Subject: Re: PeterRabit Date: 12/7/2012 11:28 PM
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wvr OK, so if Billy jumped off a bridge, does that make it wise?

If all his peers have been jumping off that bridge for 75 years and faring quite well, yes, it is wise.

Do you really imagine that EVERY COUNTRY in the world is doomed?

Which country would you have the US emulate?

Peter

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Subject: Re: PeterRabit Date: 12/8/2012 8:22 AM
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Which country would you have the US emulate?

How about the one our founding fathers constituted?

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Subject: Re: PeterRabit Date: 12/8/2012 10:33 AM
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If all his peers have been jumping off that bridge for 75 years and faring quite well, yes, it is wise.

The Welfare State is on its last legs, destined to die under a mountain of debt. If that is wisdom, I just shudder at your definition of stupidity.


Do you really imagine that EVERY COUNTRY in the world is doomed?

You seem like a smart guy. Find me an example of where the Welfare State has lead to anything other than poverty and oppression LT. It is not sustainable. It always leads back to the same place.


Which country would you have the US emulate?

I have a better idea. Why don't we return to the land of individual liberty as envisioned and given to us by the Founding Fathers, and let the rest of the world emulate us.

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Subject: Re: PeterRabit Date: 12/8/2012 10:41 AM
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If all his peers have been jumping off that bridge for 75 years and faring quite well, yes, it is wise.

The Welfare State is on its last legs, destined to die under a mountain of debt. If that is wisdom, I just shudder at your definition of stupidity.
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Yes, i love the "everybody else is doing it" reasoning with liberals. When they agree with something they use it, see Obamacare. When they disagree with it then they use, "it's the way we've always done it" reasoning, like with the non-territorial tax system.

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Subject: Re: PeterRabit Date: 12/8/2012 11:20 AM
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Yes, i love the "everybody else is doing it" reasoning with liberals

It's the absence of reasoning. An idea is either good or bad based upon the evidence or logical argument.

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Subject: Re: PeterRabit Date: 12/8/2012 11:59 AM
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wvr You seem like a smart guy. Find me an example of where the Welfare State has lead to anything other than poverty and oppression LT. It is not sustainable. It always leads back to the same place.

Canada, Britain, Iceland, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, ...

Peter

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Subject: Re: PeterRabit Date: 12/8/2012 12:10 PM
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Canada, Britain, Iceland, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, ...

This is a joke, right? Iceland declared national bankruptcy in 2008 or thereabouts. Britain's fiscal troubles are well-known.

France? You are aware of the meltdown happening since Hollande was elected, right? Italy is circling the drain, as has been pointed out numerous times by 2828 on this forum.

Japan's debt-to-GDP ratio was 200% when the tsunami hit.

You're making my point. All of those systems are on the way to implosion.

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Subject: Re: PeterRabit Date: 12/8/2012 12:15 PM
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Which country would you have the US emulate?

Peter


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Subject: Re: PeterRabit Date: 12/8/2012 12:18 PM
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wvr All of those systems are on the way to implosion.

When will the first country implode?

How long before they have ALL imploded?

Canada, Britain, Iceland, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, ...

I can see that you actually do believe that every country in the world is doomed. (How well stocked is your bunker?)

Peter

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Subject: Re: PeterRabit Date: 12/8/2012 3:24 PM
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fer How about the one our founding fathers constituted?

If that country existed, I would encourage you to move there. But, unfortunately, it exists only in your imagination.

And, I'm sure, what you imagine is actually a country that has all the modern technology with none of the laws that have been passed in the last two centuries.

It is easy to claim that your imaginary country is better than what actually exists. But you will never sell your idea to venture capitalists. They are not that gullible.

If any of your conservative dreams were actually workable, they would exist in part somewhere in the world. They don't. Only in your mind.

Peter

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Subject: Re: PeterRabit Date: 12/8/2012 3:44 PM
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fer How about the one our founding fathers constituted?

If that country existed, I would encourage you to move there. But, unfortunately, it exists only in your imagination.
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So the reasoning for Obamacare was everyone else was doing it, so then we should too. We could've easily said the same to you before Obamacare passed, i could've encouraged you to move to France.

The thing about unsustainability is it's unsustainable, and nothing dems have done leads me to believe they're serious about doing anything about the trillions of dollars of unfunded liabilities of SS and Medicare, nothing they've done leads me to believe they're serious about winnowing down the 16 trillion in debt and growing, and nothing they've done leads me to believe they're serious about cutting the trillion dollar deficit. Eventually something bad is going to happen, probably sooner than you think, because math doesn't play politics.

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Subject: Re: PeterRabit Date: 12/8/2012 5:35 PM
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How about the one our founding fathers constituted?

You mean the one where black people only count as 3/5 of a person?

The founders were smart guys, but they weren't gods, and they weren't infallible. Fortunately they realized that too, and so gave future generations the flexibility to make changes (like letting black people vote, letting women vote, preventing forced servitude, etc).

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Subject: Re: PeterRabit Date: 12/8/2012 5:36 PM
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The founders were smart guys, but they weren't gods, and they weren't infallible. Fortunately they realized that too, and so gave future generations the flexibility to make changes (like letting black people vote, letting women vote, preventing forced servitude, etc).
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Yes, we call them amendments.

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Subject: Re: PeterRabit Date: 12/8/2012 7:05 PM
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2828 wrote: The thing about unsustainability is it's unsustainable, and nothing dems have done leads me to believe they're serious about doing anything about the trillions of dollars of unfunded liabilities of SS and Medicare, nothing they've done leads me to believe they're serious about winnowing down the 16 trillion in debt and growing, and nothing they've done leads me to believe they're serious about cutting the trillion dollar deficit. Eventually something bad is going to happen, probably sooner than you think, because math doesn't play politics.

Dems won't listen to government's own Congressional Budget Office nor the Social Security Trust. Owebama doesn't care; he'll be out of office and busy burnishing his "legacy" in four more years.

The 2012 Annual Report of the Board of Trustees of the Federal Old-Age and Survivors Insurance and Federal Disability Insurance Trust Funds
http://www.ssa.gov/oact/tr/2012/index.html

In 2011, Social Security’s cost continued to exceed both the program’s tax income and its non-interest income, a trend that the Trustees project to continue throughout the short-range period and beyond. The 2011 deficit of tax income relative to cost was $148 billion, and the projected 2012 deficit is $165 billion. The sizes of these deficits are largely due to a temporary reduction in the Social Security payroll tax for 2011 and 2012. The legislation establishing the payroll tax reduction also provided for transfers from the General Fund of the Treasury to the trust funds to “replicate to the extent possible” revenues that would have occurred in the absence of the payroll tax reduction. Including these general revenue reimbursements, the 2011 deficit of non-interest income relative to cost was $45 billion, and the projected 2012 deficit is $53 billion. [...]

Under the long-range intermediate assumptions, the Trustees project that annual cost for the OASDI program will exceed non-interest income in 2012 and remain higher throughout the remainder of the long-range period. The projected combined OASI and DI Trust Fund assets increase through 2020, begin to decline in 2021, and become exhausted and unable to pay scheduled benefits in full on a timely basis in 2033. However, the DI Trust Fund becomes exhausted in 2016, so legislative action is needed as soon as possible.

In the absence of a long-term solution, lawmakers could reallocate the payroll tax rate between OASI and DI, as they did in 1994. For the combined OASI and DI Trust Funds to remain solvent throughout the 75-year projection period, lawmakers could: (1) increase the combined payroll tax rate for the period in a manner equivalent to an immediate and permanent increase of 2.61 percentage points (from its current level of 12.40 percent to 15.01 percent);1 (2) reduce scheduled benefits for the period in a manner equivalent to an immediate and permanent reduction of 16.2 percent; (3) draw on alternative sources of revenue; or (4) adopt some combination of these approaches. Lawmakers would have to make significantly larger changes for future beneficiaries if they decide to avoid changes for current beneficiaries and those close to retirement age.

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Subject: Re: PeterRabit Date: 12/8/2012 7:34 PM
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CC For the combined OASI and DI Trust Funds to remain solvent throughout the 75-year projection period, lawmakers could: (1) increase the combined payroll tax rate for the period in a manner equivalent to an immediate and permanent increase of 2.61 percentage points (from its current level of 12.40 percent to 15.01 percent);1 (2) reduce scheduled benefits for the period in a manner equivalent to an immediate and permanent reduction of 16.2 percent; (3) draw on alternative sources of revenue; or (4) adopt some combination of these approaches. Lawmakers would have to make significantly larger changes for future beneficiaries if they decide to avoid changes for current beneficiaries and those close to retirement age.

In addition, Congress could continue to raise the retirement age slowly until age 70, the wage cap on payroll deductions could be raised, and the COLA increases could be retarded.

I favor ALL of these measures.

Now there are people whose primary goal is to prove that SS is unworkable. Such people will OPPOSE these measures.

Peter

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Subject: Re: PeterRabit Date: 12/8/2012 7:37 PM
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28 So the reasoning for Obamacare was everyone else was doing it, so then we should too.

Actually Obamacare is a complex kludge which is unlike the health care system in any other country.

Too bad we couldn't have single-payer.

Peter

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Subject: Re: PeterRabit Date: 12/8/2012 7:41 PM
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28 Eventually something bad is going to happen, probably sooner than you think, because math doesn't play politics.

How many years and/or decades have you been waiting for this "bad thing" to happen?

How many decades will pass before you change your mind?

Now, please understand, failing to balance the federal budget (or at least come close) will sink the country. No doubt.

Peter

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PR wrote: I favor ALL of these measures. Now there are people whose primary goal is to prove that SS is unworkable. Such people will OPPOSE these measures.

Buh buh buh but when FDR introduced Social Security, it was supposed to be sustainable WITHOUT Americans having to work until they're 70 frikken years old, for cryin' out loud.

Social Security will go bust, just as sure as I'm sitting here, because the citizenry will oppose those measures as "not the way it's supposed to be."

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PR wrote: Actually Obamacare is a complex kludge which is unlike the health care system in any other country. Too bad we couldn't have single-payer.

Have you ever thought of living in a truly Socialist country? Sounds to me like you'd be happy anywhere else but America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_countries

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PR wrote: How many years and/or decades have you been waiting for this "bad thing" to happen?


I'd say about 90 years until *splat!* -- the timer beginning with the New Deal in 1933.

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In addition, Congress could continue to raise the retirement age slowly until age 70
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Republicans just put raising the retirement age for Medicare on the table, dems rejected it. Welcome to the republican party, oh wait, republicans want people to pay for their own contraceptives, nevermind.
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the wage cap on payroll deductions could be raised.
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So you want to make it a welfare program where benefits have nothing to do with what you put in?
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and the COLA increases could be retarded.
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I think republicans proposed this and democrats said republicans wanted seniors to eat cat food.
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I favor ALL of these measures.
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So you're a heartless bastard like us in some ways.
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Now there are people whose primary goal is to prove that SS is unworkable. Such people will OPPOSE these measures.
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Yes, we call them democrats.

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CC I'd say about 90 years until *splat!* -- the timer beginning with the New Deal in 1933.

OK, 2023. About ten years from now. That's a while to keep the discussion going, but I've been around TMF for about ten years; might as well stay another ten years.

So we will take another look in 2023.

RABITMARKER

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So we will take another look in 2023.

RABITMARKER
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Yes, lets. And lets call 'em Cocoa Puffs instead.....get it.

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So we will take another look in 2023.

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Yes, lets. And lets call 'em Cocoa Puffs instead.....get it.
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"In addition, Congress could continue to raise the retirement age slowly until age 70, the wage cap on payroll deductions could be raised, and the COLA increases could be retarded. I favor ALL of these measures." - Peter Rabbit

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Hell they can raise the retirement age all they want to. Most people are going to be worn slap out by the time they reach their early to mid 60's. As it is most folks start to take social security at 62.

How the hell do you think all these old geezers are going to be able to compete with younger, faster, and more energetic youngsters? They can't compete. Younger folks are better equipped to compete, with more current knowledge, faster reflexes, more eager, and more willing to travel?

Doddering around drooling bleary eyed daydreaming about retirement? Employers will be looking for the least little thing to get them off the payroll and onto the street.

Art

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"In addition, Congress could continue to raise the retirement age slowly until age 70," peterrabbit


I forgot to add "arthritic, bad knees, bad backs, constipated, and needing time off to go to the doctor?"

The rate at which we ate increases once we reach a certain age. Aging is not linear. It's a curve and it curves sharply upward once we reach 60 years of age.

Gout, cholesterol, athelsclerosis, cardiomyopathy, ulcers, high blood pressure, high blood sugar.

Things fall apart.

Art

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Art Younger folks are better equipped to compete, with more current knowledge, faster reflexes, more eager, and more willing to travel?

Well, hell. If those whippersnappers are that good, they should have no problem with a two worker to one retiree ratio.

BTW, if you understand the real world of production and consumption, then you understand that this ratio exists no matter how much the retirees save in dollars.

Peter

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Subject: Re: PeterRabit Date: 12/8/2012 9:30 PM
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Art The rate at which we ATE increases once we reach a certain age.

Tell me about it.

Peter

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Subject: Re: PeterRabit Date: 12/8/2012 9:45 PM
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28 And lets call 'em Cocoa Puffs instead.....get it.

Kicks are for Trids.

Peter

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Subject: Re: PeterRabit Date: 12/8/2012 9:57 PM
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"Well, hell. If those whippersnappers are that good, they should have no problem with a two worker to one retiree ratio. BTW, if you understand the real world of production and consumption, then you understand that this ratio exists no matter how much the retirees save in dollars." Peter
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There are a few Jack LaLanes that stay fit and active and productive till they are in their nineties but that isn't the majority. The majority of people slow down once they reach around 60 years of age and then the rate at which they age increases with each year.

Their backs begin to hurt, their knees hurt, they develop high blood pressure, high blood sugar, rheumatoid arthritis, gout, they start to daydream about retirement and they spend half their day trying to figure out how to make it work.

While their younger boss is droning on about goals and strategies the older guy is daydreaming about fishing and picking grapefruit in Florida.

Art

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Subject: Re: PeterRabit Date: 12/8/2012 9:59 PM
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Art: "The rate at which we ATE increases once we reach a certain age."
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"Tell me about it." - Peter

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That was a whoopsie. My finger hit the t key instead of the g key. Meant to say the rate at which we age.

Sorry! Art

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Sorry! Art

No problem. I knew what you meant, but I got a chuckle out of the typo.

BTW, I will be 70 this month. Still working. I'm trying to run at least a short distance every day.

Peter

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PR wrote: BTW, I will be 70 this month.

Ohmigod! And you're still a librul?!

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CC Ohmigod! And you're still a librul?!

Shoot. I started out as a conservative. (Young American for Freedom)

I've always done thing differently. :-)

Peter

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Subject: Re: PeterRabit Date: 12/9/2012 2:31 AM
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wvr You seem like a smart guy. Find me an example of where the Welfare State has lead to anything other than poverty and oppression LT. It is not sustainable. It always leads back to the same place.

Canada, Britain, Iceland, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, ...

Peter


Perfect score, Peter.

100% wrong.

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Subject: Re: PeterRabit Date: 12/9/2012 3:40 AM
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PR wrote: How many years and/or decades have you been waiting for this "bad thing" to happen?


I'd say about 90 years until *splat!* -- the timer beginning with the New Deal in 1933.


Well, as I recall, it took the New Deal about three years to cause a deep recession. That is, as compared to the bottom of the recession that Roosevelt inherited.

The Great Society, started in the mid 1960s, was identified as destroying black families by the late 1960s.

Medicare was designed to NOT wipe out the private insurance programs that previously covered half the elderly. It took about five years for the large majority of them to shut down.

Hillarycare was enacted by the Washington state legislature in the spring of 1993. By the end of 1993 it was obvious that its failure was going to be a big factor in the 1994 legislative election, but it took a few more months for it to become apparent just how complete that failure was. Repealing it was among the first pieces of business taken up by the legislature in 1995.

So, how long to wait? Looks like, typically, two to five years. But sometimes failure comes a bit faster and sometimes it takes a bit longer.

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"BTW, I will be 70 this month. Still working. I'm trying to run at least a short distance every day." - Peter


Why? Running from the grim reaper? When it's your time, it's your time.

Art

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Subject: Re: PeterRabit Date: 12/9/2012 4:56 AM
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Art, have you not gone to sleep?? Or did you wake up really early?

BTW, I know Tennessee is split in time zones....are you Eastern or Central? I've always wondered that about you.

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Peter
In addition, Congress could continue to raise the retirement age slowly until age 70, the wage cap on payroll deductions could be raised, and the COLA increases could be retarded.

I favor ALL of these measures.

Now there are people whose primary goal is to prove that SS is unworkable. Such people will OPPOSE these measures.

Peter


I favor something like this as well Peter. However, the main opposition is from the dems. They slammed Paul Ryan mercilessly over his SS and medicare change proposals last year.

In the end, things will have to fall apart before any real reform is done. Ya, they did it in 1984? But Americans had more balls back then. The greatest generation was still running the country. Now the baby boomers run it and will soon turn power over to gen x.

We are doomed. The country is run by spoiled brats.

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they start to daydream about retirement and they spend half their day trying to figure out how to make it work.

While their younger boss is droning on about goals and strategies the older guy is daydreaming about fishing and picking grapefruit in Florida.

Art


He!!, I started daydreaming about retirement when I was 39 and came across intercst's Retirement Early Homepage website in 1996. <g>

Mike

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CC Ohmigod! And you're still a librul?!

Shoot. I started out as a conservative. (Young American for Freedom)

I've always done thing differently. :-)

Peter
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No, it makes perfect sense. You want to raise the medicare age now that you're 70, and you want to lift the cap on income that gets taxed for SS and medicare now that you're retired.

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"BTW, I will be 70 this month. Still working. I'm trying to run at least a short distance every day." - Peter

Art wrote: Why? Running from the grim reaper? When it's your time, it's your time.

I'm thinkin' he's going for quality of life. When one runs every day, you can get out of bed with ease--not crawl out with aches and pains--and you can eat whatever you want without getting fat. When one is fit, life is just more enjoyable.

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"Art, have you not gone to sleep?? Or did you wake up really early? BTW, I know Tennessee is split in time zones....are you Eastern or Central? I've always wondered that about you." - aolf


I got up to check the Powerball numbers and see if someone won. I probably posted something then? I don't know? I think I went to sleep around 10:30 pm, and woke up in the middle of the night to use the restroom. Sometimes when I do that I'll get online for a few minutes and check my message boards, or email, or lottery numbers, etc.

That's my life!

Art

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I got up to check the Powerball numbers and see if someone won. I probably posted something then? I don't know? I think I went to sleep around 10:30 pm, and woke up in the middle of the night to use the restroom. Sometimes when I do that I'll get online for a few minutes and check my message boards, or email, or lottery numbers, etc.

That's my life! --Art


Mine too. My hours are completely wacky. I keep the house as cold as possible at night because I can't stand to sleep in a warm, stuffy bedroom. Door shut, cats out, no chance of a breeze due to my neighbor's house being too close to my window, run fan year round. I keep a bedroom window open too, even when it is below zero out, no chance for a breeze but it does help keep the temperature down and gives me the illusion of fresh air. One of these days I'm packing up lock stock and barrel and moving to the back guest bedroom where I have two windows and plenty of fresh air blowing through.

I go to bed anywhere from midnight til 3am and sleep until about 4:30 or 5am, occasionally don't sleep at all but don't worry about it, and then get up and it is so cold that I'm wide awake immediately. Turn up the heat, make coffee, feed cats, let them outside for a few minutes, get in my reading chair under a blanket and read until about 7 or 8, then have a small bite of something easy and good, then doze off until about 10. Tidy kitchen and living room, bathe, dress, all of which I can do in 20 minutes. Sometimes I then get back into a warm bed, even with my clothes on, until noon like I did today. Other times I go to the pc and check RECF, A & L, email alerts from NYT, a variety of online routines I've established.

I'm worse on Sundays than other days in terms of the kind of schedule I keep and am starting to be that way on Saturdays too. Tomorrow though I will have a schedule made for a superior robot, planned in 15 minute increments, sometimes 10. Except now the scheduling starts at noon instead of 5am like it used to. I'll manage to follow it for a few hours and will then rebel. Learning how to be retired is a slow process.

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"One of these days I'm packing up lock stock and barrel and moving to the back guest bedroom where I have two windows and plenty of fresh air blowing through." - catmeyoo


The whole house is yours. There is nothing stopping you. You should be a wild woman and move to the back guest bedroom and claim it as yours! If I wanted the two windows and the fresh air that is what I'd do, especially if I owned the house and had no one to answer to but myself.

Art

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Hell they can raise the retirement age all they want to. Most people are going to be worn slap out by the time they reach their early to mid 60's. As it is most folks start to take social security at 62.

How the hell do you think all these old geezers are going to be able to compete with younger, faster, and more energetic youngsters? They can't compete. Younger folks are better equipped to compete, with more current knowledge, faster reflexes, more eager, and more willing to travel?

Doddering around drooling bleary eyed daydreaming about retirement? Employers will be looking for the least little thing to get them off the payroll and onto the street.

Art



Well, not everyone, it seems. I was watching some excerpts on the news tonight of Barbara Walters interviewing President Obama, and it occurred to me that she's in her 80s. Heck, she looks better than most people in their 60s, still has enough energy to do what she does, and has no plans to retire anytime soon, apparently.

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"BTW, I will be 70 this month. Still working. I'm trying to run at least a short distance every day." - Peter

Why? Running from the grim reaper? When it's your time, it's your time.

Art



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TESTIKOV: Yeah, Yeah. The sneakers. The Americans and their sneakers. Always running from something. Well, sit, stop running, two minutes and I'll give you the latest manuscript!

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He!!, I started daydreaming about retirement when I was 39 and came across intercst's Retirement Early Homepage website in 1996. <g>

Mike



I started daydreaming about retirement when I was 27 and Paul Terhorst's book came out.

I retired when I was 39.

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"Well, not everyone, it seems. I was watching some excerpts on the news tonight of Barbara Walters interviewing President Obama, and it occurred to me that she's in her 80s. Heck, she looks better than most people in their 60s, still has enough energy to do what she does, and has no plans to retire anytime soon, apparently." - andrew


Yeah, Barbara Walters didn't lift sides of beef and sling them around or stack boxes at Kraft Foods, or carry 80+ lb deep heavy supers of honey, or bend and lift squirming wiggly German Shepherds or Golden Retrievers up on exam tables, or unload truckloads of feed and bedding.

So I can sort of see why she's not a mess. She didn't do heavy physical work for a living.

Art

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Canada, Britain, Iceland, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland,</> Japan, Australia, New Zealand, ...


You're making my point. All of those systems are on the way to implosion.

A few of these countries ARE doing better than the US.

These include Canada, Switzerland, Australia, and New Zealand. What is interesting about that is that ALL of these countries rank higher than the US on economic freedom scale.

This includes such as taxes, government debt, deficit spending, liabilities, etc.

So thank you PeterRabbit!

You just proved both sides of the conservative case: that countries who make poor fiscal decisions do poorly and that countries that rein in spending, cut entitlements, and cut taxes do better.

The sad thing is that Peter won't learn from this or investigate the facts. He'll just continue spouting his party's line without fact checking, thought, or considering the ramifications of what they are saying!

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Jim wrote: He'll just continue spouting his party's line without fact checking, thought, or considering the ramifications of what they are saying!

This is the hallmark of a librul.

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