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Author: 1HappyFool Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: of 757918  
Subject: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/4/2001 8:04 PM
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California
Michigan (my home state)
New York
Texas
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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/4/2001 9:17 PM
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Folks up here in Oregon are mighty friendly and laid back compared to those in Silicon Valley--until they get behind the wheel of a car. I still can't believe it. Speeding on freeway curves in the rain, flashing their lights at you while you're driving over the speed limit in the slow lane, etc. Whenever I put on my turn signal to turn into my neighborhood I can see the driver behind me start to foam at the mouth at the prospect of being 17 seconds later to his/her destination, then turn to look frantically over the shoulder to see if passing is possible. I have almost had my outside driver-side mirror knocked off a few times by folks who just couldn't stand the idea of slowing down a little. Put an easy-going salmon loving lumberjack into a car and you've got hell on wheels.

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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/4/2001 9:24 PM
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But seriously, folks, there has been talk around these parts about changing the state boundaries for some years. Largely conservative eastern Oregon and Washington don't have much in common with the more liberal western parts of the states on the other side of the Cascades. They want to merge with Idaho into a new state, while coastal Oregon and Washington form another new state. Right now WA has no income tax and OR has no sales tax. If we ever get a new coastal state, given the number of liberals up here, you can bet that before the ink was dry on the agreement, we'd have both taxes and probably some more I haven't thought of. Ain't that right, SP?

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Author: arrete Big funky green star, 20000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 37565 of 757918
Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/4/2001 10:32 PM
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fleg9bo suggests: Right now WA has no income tax and OR has no sales tax. If we ever get a new coastal state, given the number of liberals up here, you can bet that before the ink was dry on the agreement, we'd have both taxes and probably some more I haven't thought of. Ain't that right, SP?

Sounds like SP will have to move east, at least past the Cascades :)

arrete - who is listening to Dana Lyons, singer of "Cows with Guns" at this very moment (OK, he's from Bellingham, and I know that's coastal).


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Author: dory36 Three stars, 500 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 37566 of 757918
Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/4/2001 10:36 PM
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This poll was confusing. Do we get to go with the seceeding state, or do we have to remain with the other 49? That might change my reply!

Dory36, back in the USA as a new member of the REHP Alumni Association

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Author: msumney Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 37570 of 757918
Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/4/2001 10:49 PM
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Dory36, back in the USA as a new member of the REHP Alumni Association

Welcome back Dory36. Looking forward to more of your great posts.

Mike


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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/4/2001 10:49 PM
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Dory36, back in the USA as a new member of the REHP Alumni Association


Wahoo!! Welcome back - and relax - and have fun. There is so much to do. Are you wandering around the Chesapeake?

arrete


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Author: mountaintosea Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 37574 of 757918
Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/4/2001 11:42 PM
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I think California seceding from the Union would be a great idea. I live in that state and I'm ready to leave the good ole USA!

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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/4/2001 11:42 PM
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Anyone who has the slightest affinity for nature would not want New York with its Catskills, Adirondacks, Finger Lakes and scores of other wonderful places to secede. Now if we're talking New York CITY....

Fool on! Phool off!

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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/5/2001 12:51 AM
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<<. If we ever get a new coastal state, given the number of liberals up here, you can bet that before the ink was dry on the agreement, we'd have both taxes and probably some more I haven't thought of. Ain't that right, SP? >>


That's certainly right.


<<But seriously, folks, there has been talk around these parts about changing the state boundaries for some years. Largely conservative eastern Oregon and Washington don't have much in common with the more liberal western parts of the states on the other side of the Cascades.>>


This may or may not be true for long. Dependence on immigrant labor is growing so rapidly in eastern Washington that conservative eastern Washington may evaporate unless Mexican immigrants adopt those values for themselves. It will be interesting to see whether the white power structure ofd the area can adapt to these rapid demographic changes without alienating that new population. I'd be surprised if that happens.

Besides, if eastern Washington split off, I might be the last Republican in Washington State!



Seattle Pioneer

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Author: bill2975 Three stars, 500 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 37584 of 757918
Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/5/2001 2:40 AM
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Welcome back, Dory36,

Hope you had a good trip. And I'll bet it's a lot cooler here, although maybe more humid, depending on where you are now.

Drop us a note if you get out here to energy-thristy California.

bill2975

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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/5/2001 9:20 AM
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I have two choices:

1) The South (ie, all states that were part of the Confederacy). Many people there still talk about the "Northern Aggression" and act as though they were still a separate country in thought if not in fact. Let 'em secede so we can properly whip their asses the second time around and teach them a lesson. Maybe then they'll learn that we people born in California are not "them damn Yankees."

2) Montana. That way, we can nuke the wackos over there and it will simply be "US aggression" against a foreign country and not "the UN-controlled US crushing the rights of freedom loving americans in an effort to establish a one-world order." Ain't politics fun?

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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/5/2001 9:47 AM
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Largely conservative eastern Oregon and Washington don't have much in common with the more liberal western parts of the states on the other side of the Cascades. They want to merge with Idaho into a new state, while coastal Oregon and Washington form another new state.

Washagon and Orengton? Idegon and Washaho?

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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/5/2001 10:54 AM
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TheBreeze writes Washaho?

Hmmm...that's one I haven't tried yet.

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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/5/2001 11:12 AM
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<<2) Montana. That way, we can nuke the wackos over there and it will simply be "US aggression" against a foreign country and not "the UN-controlled US crushing the rights of freedom loving americans in an effort to establish a one-world order." Ain't politics fun?
>>


Many of the missiles are in Montana ---California has none. You might find yourself a nukee rather than a nuker.





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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/5/2001 1:13 PM
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How about none of them? I like all of the states. I like the ones with Clintons and Kennedys and even the ones with Helms and Hatch. I may not agree with everything they have to say or do, but so what, I don't have to. That's where the word United comes from in U.S.A.

Since I am more or less a moderate rebublican with rabid enviro tendencies, I can't afford to get rid of any states. If all the liberals left, I would become a left wing radical. If all the right wingers left, I would become a right wing nut. I wouldn't want either of those to happen.

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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/5/2001 4:01 PM
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But seriously, folks, there has been talk around these parts about changing the state boundaries for some years. Largely conservative eastern Oregon and Washington don't have much in common with the more liberal western parts of the states on the other side of the Cascades.

Lots of states are like that. Plenty of New Yorkers would love a divorce from New York City. In California, the three big metro areas pretty much vote opposite of the rural areas and win (it would be a right-to-carry state if that wasn't the case).

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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/5/2001 4:09 PM
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This poll was confusing. Do we get to go with the seceeding state, or do we have to remain with the other 49? That might change my reply!

Hey Dory36! Welcome back and welcome to the alumni ranks.

Sorry about the confusion, but I fully meant it to be whichever you want. Just remember that if you leave the USA and join the People's Republic of Western North America (or whatever they choose to call it, you might only get back in if you can declare "Political Asylum". Of course, since you have a boat, you could make some extra bucks hauling illegals in both directions.

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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/5/2001 4:21 PM
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I think California seceding from the Union would be a great idea. I live in that state and I'm ready to leave the good ole USA!

When I lived in CA, there was a move afoot to split it into three states. I doubt all three of them would want to secede, but the two liberal enclaves would probzbly go for it.

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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/5/2001 4:29 PM
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Anyone who has the slightest affinity for nature would not want New York with its Catskills, Adirondacks, Finger Lakes and scores of other wonderful places to secede. Now if we're talking New York CITY....

This is starting to sound like that map that showed that although Bush took less than half of the popular vote and only slightly more than half of the electoral votes, he took 95% of the counties and something like 98% of the precincts. It seems that exit visas for big metropolitan areas would please a lot of people on both sides of the borders.

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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/5/2001 5:48 PM
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Sorry about the confusion, but I fully meant it to be whichever you want. Just remember that if you leave the USA and join the People's Republic of Western North America (or whatever they choose to call it, you might only get back in if you can declare "Political Asylum". Of course, since you have a boat, you could make some extra bucks hauling illegals in both directions.

1HappyFool


We were visiting the Keys once soon after they were going to secede and become the "Conch Republic." Seems the Feds had blocked off U.S. 1 and were searching cars for drugs that were coming in and out of the Keys so they were all up in arms because it was affecting their tourist business. Some of them were serious. To this day you can buy "Conch Republic" license plates, T-Shirts, and hats. - Art


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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/5/2001 8:06 PM
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We were visiting the Keys once soon after they were going to secede and become the "Conch Republic." Seems the Feds had blocked off U.S. 1 and were searching cars for drugs that were coming in and out of the Keys so they were all up in arms because it was affecting their tourist business. Some of them were serious. To this day you can buy "Conch Republic" license plates, T-Shirts, and hats.

The Conch Republic! I love it. Jimmy Buffett for President. Why don't we get drunk as the national anthem. LOL

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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/5/2001 8:36 PM
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Aquila:
How about none of them? I like all of the states. I like the ones with Clintons and Kennedys and even the ones with Helms and Hatch. I may not agree with everything they have to say or do, but so what, I don't have to. That's where the word United comes from in U.S.A.

Since I am more or less a moderate rebublican with rabid enviro tendencies, I can't afford to get rid of any states. If all the liberals left, I would become a left wing radical. If all the right wingers left, I would become a right wing nut. I wouldn't want either of those to happen.


Well I really was thinking of the sterotypical attitudes of the people when I wrote the poll. Somebody said Texans are nicer than New Yorkers, but when I was in California, the Texans were said to be New Yorkers with stupider accents (please don't flame me, I'm just repeating a sterotype). Of course everybody has heard CA described as "The land of fruits and nuts".

I'm not surprised that it devolved to a liberals vs. conservatives discussion, but if any one state left, I don't think the political balance would change much. You have to keep in mind the sources of liberals and conservatives. The saying goes, "If you aren't a liberal at age 20 then you're heartless and if you aren't a conservative at age 40, then you're brainless". Add to that the fact that we have immigrant refugees from socialist countries and from paternalistic dictatorships and from anarchies. It seems to me that as long as we don't upset the balance of younger and older, heartless and brainless, and economic and political refugees from all types of failing and failed forms of government, we don't really have to worry about any single state leaving the fold.

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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/5/2001 11:11 PM
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I'm not surprised that it devolved to a liberals vs. conservatives discussion

I'm not surprised either, it always devolves to a liberal vs. conservative discussion/argument. Why is that?

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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/6/2001 2:10 AM
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The South (ie, all states that were part of the Confederacy). Many people there still talk about the "Northern Aggression" and act as though they were still a separate country in thought if not in fact. Let 'em secede so we can properly whip their asses the second time around and teach them a lesson.

I'm sure you've felt the wrath of TNGirl by the time I've written this (God Bless Her). <grin> But for my $0.02...

I think you can take isolated examples of bad Southerners, just as easily as I could bad Northerners. White trash is indigenous to no region, to my knowledge. Additionally, one visiting the South these days might notice it's not really the South anymore. The fastest growing region of the last decade has become quite a melting pot.

Regarding the "ass whipping" and the "lessons learned", I think those were fully accepted, and are still. It's likely that the raping, looting, aggression to women and children, burning of civilian homes, and carpet bagging are the cause for many of the sour grapes - quite the unification effort by Sherman and friends <grin>.

Golfwaymore,
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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/6/2001 2:24 AM
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The South (ie, all states that were part of the Confederacy). Many people there still talk about the "Northern Aggression" and act as though they were still a separate country in thought if not in fact. Let 'em secede so we can properly whip their asses the second time around and teach them a lesson.


I had hoped that we had gotten past this kind of mentality on both sides. Apparently not. Since the South is no longer the agrarian society that it was during the Civil War, I don't think that "whipping their asses" would be quite so easy today.

The result of such a war would be even more devastating today than it was back then.

Grue

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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/6/2001 9:41 AM
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I think you can take isolated examples of bad Southerners, just as easily as I could bad Northerners.

I'm a carpetbagger myself here in TN, although my Wife claims honourary Southern status with the neighbors, having lived here for 16 years.

There is a level of courtesy here that very much reminds of Japan. It is superficial in nature, but no less real because of that...just like Japan. The difference is, a) They speak English here...more or less, and b) unlike Japan, service is absolutely awful.

Memphis has had nearly 15 years of uninterupted boom growth. The result is that if you want to pay to get something done, they will over charge you, and under service you. Or...to paraphrase a saying they use in Australia...

You don't have to worry about service here: there isn't any.

I was born in Ohio, and have lived in the west and overseas, so I know the average all around. Nice folks here, bad bad service.

mark

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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/6/2001 9:47 AM
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I had hoped that we had gotten past this kind of mentality on both sides. Apparently not. Since the South is no longer the agrarian society that it was during the Civil War, I don't think that "whipping their asses" would be quite so easy today.
---

I tread lightly on civil war talk down here in TN. I'm a civil war buff and my great great great Grandfather was General Erastus B. Tyler who commanded the defense of Baltimore from 1863 onward. He turned Stonewall Jackson's flank at Kernstown (stoney drove him back tho), and was wounded six times at Fredricksburg. Those wounds sent him to Baltimore instead of to Gettysburg with the rest of his old regiment: The Tyler Volunteers. My cousin still has his sword.

However, he wore blue...so I don't say too much down here<g>.

mark

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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/6/2001 11:42 AM
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I was born in Ohio, and have lived in the west and overseas, so I know the average all around. Nice folks here, bad bad service.

mark


Unless you want sweetened or unsweetened ice tea? Also in the South they will keep refilling your glass with tea whether you want it or not. I was in a meeting in Chicago once and there was this little diner next to our hotel. We were eating there and I asked the waitress for some more tea. Her reply, "It's going to cost you." She was the meanest waitress I have ever met in my life. I can't remember the name of the hotel or the diner or but they were on Lakeshore Drive. The Art Museum was to the left and the Shedd Aquarium and the Museum of Natural History were to the right; if that tells you anything. I really enjoyed Chicago but those people really need to learn to be courteous; even if it is superficial. I would have taken some superficial courtesy. - Art

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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/6/2001 3:08 PM
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Art writes:

"She was the meanest waitress I have ever met in my life...I really enjoyed Chicago but those people really need to learn to be courteous, even if it is superficial."

Please don't think that your one waitress is typical of Chicago. I've lived here since 1995 and my experience of service people here has been that most are generally courteous and friendly (although definitely not "folksy" in a small-town or Southern way).

Chicago is a very big, brash, densely-populated city. People here generally lead rather fast-paced lives and are very focused. They can sometimes come across as rather insensitive and oblivious, but I believe it's unintentional on their part. Once you get past that, you find there are some really nice people here.

My worst dining experience in Chicago: Not long ago I met a few friends on a Sunday at a very popular breakfast spot downtown, known for fresh bread and pastries made from scratch on the premises each day. As we were finishing up our meal, I noticed the hostess hovering around our table giving me the eye. I (correctly) interpreted this as meaning maybe time was up. One of the people I was with, wanting to linger a bit, asked her if we could have more coffee. She flatly told us "No." She pointed to the long line of patrons waiting to be seated (by now stretching out the door and halfway down the block) and, with a smile, told us that they hadn't yet had even one cup of coffee. We took the hint.

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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/6/2001 7:45 PM
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I was born in Ohio, and have lived in the west and overseas, so I know the average all around. Nice folks here, bad bad service.

Good points Mark. Perhaps a large generalization, but I think there's some truth there. Although I've always been a Southerner, there are some cultural issues in the North that I admire.

I usually get all my Southern friends PO'd at me when I complain about the industrial work ethic in the South. I've been in manufacturing plants all over the country, my general observation is that the work ethic in the North is greater than anywhere in the U.S. This isnt surprising, considering the North was industrialized first - it's in the blood.

My biggest pet-peave about "Southern manners" is you are really never free to speak just what's on your mind. Or if you do, you have to use the obligatory 5 minute, beat around the bush, Andy Griffith approach. Good and bad.

Case in point: You're standing in the hot dog line at a ballgame up north, and some bonehead is holding up the line. You yell "move on bird brain, I'm missing the game". The guy either gets it together or moves on, or tells you what the trouble is.

Do that in the South, and you might have just opened yourself a can of "whoop-ass".

I'm all for politeness, respect, and manners, but folks are a wee bit too defensive in the South, IMHO.

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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/6/2001 10:32 PM
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I think California seceding from the Union would be a great idea. I live in that state and I'm ready to leave the good ole USA!

Then where are you going to get electricity from ? And who will you get to subsidize it ?

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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/7/2001 12:21 AM
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>> Then where are you going to get electricity from ? And who will you get to subsidize it ? <<

Where do you get your wine? Your entertainment? A huge amount of your computer hardware and software? How about a huge variety of your fruits and vegetables? Do you grow them all in your state? Is your state self-sufficient for everything? Do you advocate that all states stop sending its excesses to other states, which results in a glut of supply (if *all* are overproducing...think about it -- Econ 101)...and causes industries to collapse?

It's arrogant as hell for folks in other states to act is if every state must make as much of everything as they use. Yes, I think the state screwed up badly, and red tape, environmental extremism and NIMBYism have all contributed to a bad situation. The way this state "deregulated" could NOT have been more botched if they tried. Personally, I think they picked a VERY bad commodity to not be self-sufficient in, but face it -- NONE of us are self-sufficient in everything we need for a well-functioning, happy society. NONE of us.

But come on, now. I know California is to the U.S. what the U.S. is to the world -- a favorite target, a favorite whipping boy. I know damn well if this was a problem in just about any other state, there would be sympathy to a degree, or at least certainly not the bashing we're seeing here.

Soap box OFF, dammit. And yes, you DID hit a nerve.

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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/7/2001 1:15 AM
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Yes, I think the state screwed up badly, and red tape, environmental extremism and NIMBYism have all contributed to a bad situation.

Not to mention the tendency of the politians to demonize big business and not accept responsibility for their failures. Ultimately, the voters guaranteed this situation would occur. After demonizing capitalism, the politicians were afraid to bear the political fallout of real deregulation.

The way this state "deregulated" could NOT have been more botched if they tried. Personally, I think they picked a VERY bad commodity to not be self-sufficient in, but face it -- NONE of us are self-sufficient in everything we need for a well-functioning, happy society. NONE of us.

There's no need for the state to be self-sufficient. All that's required is that consumers accept market pricing. The politicians gave the voters what they wanted and the voters got what they should have expected. Maybe they didn't deserve it, but they dug their own trap.

But come on, now. I know California is to the U.S. what the U.S. is to the world -- a favorite target, a favorite whipping boy. I know damn well if this was a problem in just about any other state, there would be sympathy to a degree, or at least certainly not the bashing we're seeing here.

Most states have been a whipping boy at one time or another. Florida had their turn in November and December. California has a commanding lead in the poll. I'm guessing that its pretense at becoming a Utopia is the reason. Nothing seems to grate more than arrogance and California politics seems to exude it.

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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/7/2001 5:43 AM
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>> Then where are you going to get electricity from ? And who will you get to subsidize it ? <<

Where do you get your wine? Your entertainment? A huge amount of your computer hardware and software? How about a huge variety of your fruits and vegetables? Do you grow them all in your state? Is your state self-sufficient for everything? Do you advocate that all states stop sending its excesses to other states, which results in a glut of supply (if *all* are overproducing...think about it -- Econ 101)...and causes industries to collapse?

It's arrogant as hell for folks in other states to act is if every state must make as much of everything as they use. Yes, I think the state screwed up badly, and red tape, environmental extremism and NIMBYism have all contributed to a bad situation. The way this state "deregulated" could NOT have been more botched if they tried. Personally, I think they picked a VERY bad commodity to not be self-sufficient in, but face it -- NONE of us are self-sufficient in everything we need for a well-functioning, happy society. NONE of us.

But come on, now. I know California is to the U.S. what the U.S. is to the world -- a favorite target, a favorite whipping boy. I know damn well if this was a problem in just about any other state, there would be sympathy to a degree, or at least certainly not the bashing we're seeing here.

Soap box OFF, dammit. And yes, you DID hit a nerve.


I suppose you missed the previous post (to which I was responding) about CA seceding from the USA. (Secession would make CA another country and it would have to import the things it cannot produce on its own) I try to get most of my products from the USA, but don't always succeed. (cars, gasoline, ...)

I am not advocating secession of any state at this time :-)

Besides, I always thought NY was the favorite whipping-boy, when did that change ?




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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/7/2001 6:26 AM
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Where do you get your ... computer hardware and software?

I give up. Malaysia and India?

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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/7/2001 8:44 AM
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"I think California seceding from the Union would be a great idea. I live in that state and I'm ready to leave the good ole USA!

Then where are you going to get electricity from ? And who will you get to subsidize it ? "

There have been several pieces of legislation over the years to separate Northern Cal from Southern Cal. Both groups make fun of each other. There was even a Honda commercial (shown only in N. Cal I'm sure) where in the Cal legislature the a N. cal congressman was outraged at legislation proposed by S. Cal to widen and straighten the Pacific Coast Highway. The S. Cal guy responded in pathetic whiny tones..."its too whinedy!" (phonetic). The scene immediately cut to the parking lot where all smart N. Cal guys had Hondas, and the S. Cal guys were driving buicks etc.

Well... maybe you had to be there...

mark

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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/7/2001 10:42 AM
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Besides, I always thought NY was the favorite whipping-boy, when did that change ?

After a mayor with some balls stepped in and cleaned the dump up?

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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/7/2001 7:24 PM
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"1) The South (ie, all states that were part of the Confederacy). Many people there still talk about the "Northern Aggression" and act as though they were still a separate country in thought if not in fact. Let 'em secede so we can properly whip their asses the second time around and teach them a lesson. Maybe then they'll learn that we people born in California are not "them damn Yankees." "

Actually, California was part of the Union, and its people could be referred to as Yankees (see note below), although it didn't play much of a role in the war.

Also, some of the states from the old Confederacy are doing EXTREMELY well economically while much of the old Union is losing or lagging in population and economic growth. Some of those states (such as Texas) send far more money to Washington than they get back. I'm not so sure they would be all that upset about not having to prop up Washington, lol.

As far as the military is concerned, the South still is disproportionately represented in the military, especially in the Officer ranks, and many of our major military bases are located in the South (we have 5 major military bases in San Antonio alone- more than the states of New York, VT, NH, Maine, RI, and MA combined), especially those that are combat arms heavy.

jb

A displaced "yankee*" living in Texas (I escaped from NY).

* - the term "yankee" originally referred only to persons from the New England states (of which NY is NOT a member). By the time of the civil war, the term was used for all of the north. Interestingly, much of the world refers to ALL AMERICANS (whether from Texas, CA, or Mass.) as Yankees or yanks.




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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/7/2001 9:52 PM
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Actually, California was part of the Union, and its people could be referred to as Yankees (see note below), although it didn't play much of a role in the war.

For those who havent read John Kennedy's Profiles in Courage, there are several excerpts which go into detail on the Congressional tug of wars that occured on admission new states from 1830 up until the time of the war.

It seems that it was known for years that there would evenutally be a War between the states. States were admitted, or not, based on who controlled Congress, and on which way the State would lean when the war finally broke out.

Had their been no "war issues", the union of states would have come together much more rapidly.

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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/7/2001 10:30 PM
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* - the term "yankee" originally referred only to persons from the New England states (of which NY is NOT a member).
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I have never heard that the British distinguished one colonist from antother, and that Yankee referred to all Americans. Furthermore, whether you are from Penn, or Georgia you are a "Yank" once you step outside our borders.

mark

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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/7/2001 11:11 PM
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* - the term "yankee" originally referred only to persons from the New England states (of which NY is NOT a member). By the time of the civil war, the term was used for all of the north. Interestingly, much of the world refers to ALL AMERICANS (whether from Texas, CA, or Mass.) as Yankees or yanks.

The way I heard it goes:

To non-Americans, yankees are Americans.
To the average American, yankees are from north of Mason-Dixon.
To northerners, yankees are New Englanders.
To New Englanders, yankees are Down Easters (Maine) (or sometimes NH residents).

Then there's the term "Swamp Yankee," but I don't want to get into that.

--Madness

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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/8/2001 9:15 PM
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Can I vote for Washington DC?

DLF

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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/8/2001 9:28 PM
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Where do you get your wine? Your entertainment? A huge amount of your computer hardware and software? How about a huge variety of your fruits and vegetables? Do you grow them all in your state? Is your state self-sufficient for everything?

I believe that's why they have import/exporters.


;-P

DLF - PS. Virginia has some very nice wines, and um..... doesn't that blasted Windows monstrosity come from Washington State? Hey lets get Redmond to secede!!

PPS. I also lived 14 years in CA, and they do have some nice wines there too :-)

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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/9/2001 2:46 PM
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ziggy29 >>Where do you get your wine?

Fredericksburg, Tx, Llano Tx or Germany.

Your entertainment?

"Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" was the best thing I've seen in years and it sure didn't come out of Hollywood. My other favorite is "Ghost in the Shell", purely awesome animation.

A huge amount of your computer hardware and software?

You do have Apple but they could open a plant in Texas. Software for other platforms comes from Washington. Games come from Electronic Arts and Westlake Interactive right down the street from us.

How about a huge variety of your fruits and vegetables? Do you grow them all in your state?

Darn near. When it's off season they come from Chile, Argentina or New Zealand.

Is your state self-sufficient for everything?

We try. We're not perfect but we do what we can.

Debora



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Subject: Re: Poll: OT - States we'd want to secede Date: 5/20/2001 7:47 PM
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Arrete: Welcome back - and relax - and have fun. There is so much to do. Are you wandering around the Chesapeake?

A belated thanks. Getting moved and reestablished has taken a lot longer than I expected. I am just now getting back through the huge message backlog!

Yes, I'm in Deltaville Va, about 50 miles north of Norfolk. I'll do some cruising in the Chesapeake this summer, then start cruising south in the late fall. There are lots of deferred projects on the list before the cruising starts, so I expect that initial retirement will be much busier than the last weeks and months of working for a living -- but a LOT more fun!

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