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Subject: Presidential Responsibility And Accountability Date: 10/12/2012 7:56 PM
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This really goes back to thoughts wolverine307 (Doc) put together in his post

http://boards.fool.com/my-october-surprise-30315837.aspx

It's quite possible the White House may consider throwing Hills under the bus. Allahpundit finds it highly unlikely for four reasons:

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/10/12/is-the-white-house-thr...

Here's the reason for Hills to go under the bus:

In the span of about 18 hours, we’ve had Biden and Carney each insist that blame for Benghazi’s security failures lies outside the White House. It’s State that’s responsible for protecting U.S. diplomats in the field, which means if the buck doesn’t stop with Obama here, then it must stop with you-know-who. Normally that wouldn’t be a problem, as cabinet members are expected to take the heat for the president when something goes badly wrong. But in this case you-know-who has her eye on running in 2016 — possibly against (heh) Biden himself — and surely doesn’t want Benghazi staining the foreign policy credentials she’s worked hard to build.

Throw Bill Clinton, official Obama campaign surrogate, into the mix and we’ve got the makings of a nuclear clusterfark of ego, ass-covering, presidential ambition, and Clintonian drama.


Allahpundit's reasons against throwing her under the bus. She's the most popular member of the administration. She's leaving soon. Removing her threatens the decisive gender gap Obama has with women. Removing her would make Obama look weak. Read the article for his reasoning.

More importantly, Obama's failure to assume responsibility has spun a spider web of his own making in which he finds himself impossibly trapped. The story isn't going away. It's getting bigger.

I've quoted it before (very recently), but there is a timeless WSJ editorial about responsibility and accountability of the captain at sea and the head of ship of state. Obama either didn't learn its teachings or willfully ignored them, but he's the captain of the ship of state. I expect he will be held accountable whether he likes it or not. The editorial applies throughout, but the most salient points are in bold:

Hobson's Choice

One night past some thirty thousand tons of ships went hurtling at each other through the darkness. When they had met, two thousand tons of ship and a hundred and seventy-six men lay at the bottom of the sea in a far off place.

Now comes the cruel business of accountability. Those who were there, those who are left from those who were there, must answer how it happened and whose was the error that made it happen.

It is a cruel business because it was no wish of destruction that killed this ship and its hundred and seventy-six men; the accountability lies with good men who erred in judgment under stress so great that it is almost its own excuse. Cruel, because no matter how deep the probe, it cannot change the dead, because it cannot probe deeper the remorse.

And it seems crueler still, because all around us in other places we see the plea accepted that what is done is done beyond discussion, and that for good men in their human errors there should be afterwards no accountability.

We are told it is all to no avail to review so late the course that led to the crash of Pearl Harbor; to debate the courses set at Yalta and Potsdam; to inquire how it is that one war won leaves us only with wreckage and with two worlds still hurtling at each other through the darkness. To inquire into these things now, we are reminded, will not change the dead in Schofield Barracks or on Heartbreak Ridge, nor will it change the dying that will come after the wrong courses.

We are told too how slanderous it is to probe into the doings of a Captain now dead who cannot answer for himself, to hold him responsible for what he did when he was old and tired and when he did what he did under terrible stresses and from the best of intentions. How useless to debate the wrong courses of his successor, caught up in a storm not of his own devising. How futile to talk of what is past when the pressing question is how to keep from sinking.

Everywhere else we are told how inhuman it is to submit men to the ordeal of answering for themselves. To haul them before committees and badger them with questions as to where they were and what they were doing while the ship of state careened from one course to another.

This probing into the sea seems more merciless because almost everywhere else we have abandoned accountability. What is done is done and why torture men with asking them afterwards, why? Whom do we hold answerable for the sufferance of dishonesty in government, for the reckless waste of public moneys, for the incompetence that wrecks
the currency, for the blunders that killed and still kill many times a
hundred and seventy-six men in Korea? We can bring to bar the dishonest
men, yes. But we are told men should no longer be held accountable for what they do as well as for what they intend. To err is not only human, it absolves responsibility.


Everywhere, that is, except on the sea. On the sea there is a tradition older even then the traditions of the country itself and wiser in its age than this new custom. It is the tradition that with responsibility goes authority and with them both goes accountability.

This accountability is not for the intentions but for the deed. The captain of a ship, like the captain of a state, is given honor and
privileges and trust beyond other men. But let him set the wrong course, let him touch ground, let him bring disaster to his ship or to his men, and he must answer for what he has done. No matter what, he cannot escape.


No one knows yet what happened on the sea after that crash in the night. But nine men left the bridge of the sinking ship and went into the darkness. Eight men came back to tell what happened there. The ninth, whatever happened, will not answer now because he has already answered for his accountability.

It is cruel, this accountability of good and well-intentioned men. But the choice is that or an end to responsibility and finally, as the cruel sea has taught, an end to the confidence and trust in the men who lead, for men will not long trust leaders who feel themselves beyond accountability for what they do.

And when men lose confidence and trust in those who lead, order
disintegrates into chaos and purposeful ships into uncontrollable derelicts.


The enormous burden of this responsibility and accountability for the lives and careers of other men and often, the outcome of great issues, is the genesis of the liberality which distinguishes the orders to officers commanding ships of the United States Navy.

Wall Street Journal May 14, 1952


Obama will soon learn the meaning of accountability.
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Author: wolverine307 Big funky green star, 20000 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 107463 of 133991
Subject: Re: Presidential Responsibility And Accountabili Date: 10/12/2012 8:18 PM
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Obama is a man-child who has been shielded all his life by the AA crowd. He wouldn't know responsibility if it bit him on the keister. He need some bilge cleaning duty back in his youth.

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Subject: Re: Presidential Responsibility And Accountabili Date: 10/12/2012 8:29 PM
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Mother of one of Obama's Libyan Victims:

http://joemiller.us/2012/10/video-mother-of-slain-state-depa...

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Subject: Re: Presidential Responsibility And Accountabili Date: 10/12/2012 9:55 PM
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In truth, Hillary genuinely does deserve to go down for this. And the longer BHO fails to hold anyone accountable for the weak security, the more blame he'll receive. I'm sure they're looking for some suitable mid-level State Department official to offer up as a sacrifice to avoid messing with the Clintons.

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