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"After I broaden my earlier response, same response. Means testing is never going to work unless it's addressed solely on a need for income basis. IOW, we go back to the original concept of SS: welfare for old people who need it.""

ANd who is going to address the 'need' for income? If you live in a high tax state and pay 8000 in real estate taxes but don't have much 'income', do you 'need it' vs someone who lives in a house with only 800 in taxes but even less income?

If you have dogs and cats that need food, do you need 'more income'?

If you need a car to get to down, vs living in town, do you 'need' more income to get you there?'s a one can compute ' need' for income.

On person might have no pension......and have savings that spin off 25K a year...another might have no savings but get 25K a year. SO who doesn't get SS? and why?

It's a giant mess.

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