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"But any *human* who disagrees with that is invited to demonstrate the strength of their convictions in a self-referential manner."

Impossible to discuss this without relying on normative statements. Here are a few....

Societies can be judged to the degree that they rely on force to achieve policy objectives and to the extent that policy objectives benefit each member of the community.

A peaceful society that enacts policies that benefit all in the community is preferred over one that is chaotic and violent and only enacts policies that benefit certain members in society.

Your point is that I would now need to justify my normative statements with logic, facts, and reason.
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