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"Hochizen says it perfectly.

In the past, he and I have actually had some consensus where BOTH our respective sides would disagree."

Indeed.

Jedi defeated me with a winning argument, years ago. I found I could not disagree with him on some issues....and the cultural one was a true shock to me.

See......I was the ultimate social liberal/libertarian liberal on social issues.

THEN....I had to face the FACT that our crummy culture tells kids its okay to have kids. I had to face the fact there was a friend who was alll excited his teenage daughter was pregnant. I had to face the fact that our culture does indeed have an impact on our lives.

For my liberal friends, I admonish you to consider the problems of both rural and urban popular cultures. Observe that these problems were not as prevalent a few decades ago. Consider that our culture HAS changes, and that it is not for the better.

Again, as I said earlier....I have no solution, except perhaps for people to influence those they can as to the idea that we should be above the culture foisted upon us. Yeah, that means the person who reads this.
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