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Subject: Re: Faith and Magic Date: 12/9/2012 2:08 PM
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"That's not only a misrepresentation of what I said. It's also a complete fabrication."

Sorry, I must have misunderstood. Did you not claim to be a spokesperson for your community of faith? You were asked if it was presumptuous to discount what I described as a prayer (one which I have heard people earnestly pray) as 'not faith'. Your answer was because you were that spokesperson, you had the ability to do so. That was your reason to be able to decide what I see as faith as 'not faith'. I didn't fabricate anything, and I don't see that I misrepresented what you said. But please feel free to explain, and if I truly misunderstood I will say I am sorry.

If it just your opinion, we just differ on that. People pray for things all the time that your definition of 'not faith' would meet. I daresay that they certainly believe that are people of faith.



"And I do find it more than curious- that several atheists are presuming to know more about what constitutes faith than I do, not that they are defending that sort of faith, mind you. In fact, they reject it."

I would not presume that you know any more about faith than any atheist does. Your statement implies that you think you know more than they. In my experience. atheists and agnostics are folks who have spent a great deal of time examining their spiritual beliefs, and giving a great deal of thought to how faith fits in to their lives. Perhaps a great deal more time than you and I have. It WOULD be presumptuous of you to think you are somehow better informed about spiritual matters.



"For some reason, they seem upset that the faith I describe does not fit the pattern that they have already rejected."

I have not noticed any being particularly upset. This started because someone was incensed that I used to word 'magic' and equated it with 'supernatural'.
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