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RandomeThoughts wrote:
Piz said, money that I earned, in willing, fair, and honest exchange for my own ability and precious time from my life that can never be replaced, is being taken from me at the point of a gun and given to others who did not earn it. I am being forced to give a portion of my life to someone else in return for nothing. Didn't that used to be called slavery?

No, it is called taxation to accomplish the will of the majority.

Same thing, no matter what you choose to call it. Is evil not evil if a majority says it's not?

In some societies, the majority believe that people who have not saved for their old age (either through improvidence or inability) should be given a base income in their old age by that society rather than be allowed to starve.

Who says starvation is the only alternative? I voluntarily give to causes that feed the hungry. I voluntarily help my family and friends. I oppose being compelled to do so by threat of force. I oppose being compelled to do anything by threat of force.

The government is the proper agent to implement the will of the society in such cases. FICA taxes are a somewhat reasonable means to finance it (personally, I feel it would be better to combine FICA and income tax into one single tax, but then, I am in the minority on this).

The only proper function of a government is to protect its citizens against those who would harm them, because it is more efficient and effective for those citizens to implement their own protection that way. Anything else is by its nature forcing some citizens to give up things which are theirs to others to whom those things do not belong. If I am forced to give up that which is mine, I am being robbed. It doesn't matter whether the perpetrator is a thug or a federal agent, it's still robbery.

Is it OK for someone to rob me? Of course not. What if a whole group of people chase me down and rob me? No. What if that group chooses one or more others to rob me on their behalf? Still no. What if those chosen to rob me on their behalf are called "the government?" Now it's OK? That's what you're saying.

I will gladly, voluntarily pay for the government to do that which is proper for it to do. I will not voluntarily pay for anything else. The threat of arrest makes payment of taxes involuntary. The threat of force makes it robbery.

This country was founded as a defense of liberty. Now it is engaged in liberty's systematic elimination.

The U.S.A. happens to be a society of that type, though a minority of its citizens do not believe it should be.

There's no such thing as "society," as a thing that exists and can act. There are only the individuals who make up "society." If even one of those is forced to do something, anything, against his will, he has become a slave for as long as he is forced to do that thing. If such an action is sanctioned by "society," then "society" is the slave driver.

Some societies do not so believe. If you move to such a country, you can avoid the tax and the benefit.

I challenge you to find a country that does not so believe. Ours simply does it less than others. That does not make it right.

America -- love it or leave it.

There's no better place to go. But that there is less evil being done here does not alter the fact that it is evil. I refuse to love evil.

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