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Subject: Re: Is Jesus a Democrat? Date: 1/9/2004 12:21 AM
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rbednarski:

"The Bible is not socialistic? Consider Acts Chap.4-"

" . . .

But even if the Jerusalem church's actions *were* ordained by God you miss the essential difference that this was a voluntary association while socialism is imposed by force."


Depends how you define force. Seems to me that they were imposed by Congress, whose members are voted into office by those eligible voters who decide to vote in a particular election.

It would still be force, because it is not voluntary. The use of force is not necessarily evil. It is only evil when one uses force in an unbiblical fashion. Using force to take money from someone who earned it to then transfer it to someone who is poor, is an unbiblical use of force. Does it cease to become theft if I with a group of other people vote that the government should take your car from you and give it to us?


By the standard you appear to describe, every government action (local, state or federal) is impsoed by force, at least on those who disagree. If one does not want to pay SS tax, one can leave the USA and not have US earned income.


There are forceful actions that government can undertake. Paul did say that the government was God's minister to use the sword (violence). The Bible however does not give the state a blank check to just do whatever it pleases.

Also it is true that if I do not leave then I am allowing the state to do certain "wrong" things to me. That however does not make what it does any more correct.

>That is a huge difference that is at the heart of the reason that there is no justification in the Bible for the modern social welfare state."


I fail to see how you distinguish one society from another. One can always vote with one's feet and leave for another society. Not leaving, is a voluntary choice.

Regards, JAFO
(who notes that USA taxes its citizens for FIT on worldwide income and that he is aware the forfeiting USA citizenship is not quite as easy as it once was)


One can vote with their feet, however the justice or injustice of an action remains.

CT
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