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Romney won the first debate hands down and our VP had his way with Ryan on the second one. I don't expect you to admit this, but it is the truth. But you wouldn't know anything about that would you?


Well, the polls all had Romney as a really big winner

the polls all had Ryan as a little winner

I'd say your obvious is not all that obvious, except of course to you

Frankly, I was switching back and forth between baseball and the debate and went to bed feeling Ryan got beaten badly

The next day, I watched the debate in full. Biden did a really bad job of not coming off as a real jerk.

Did he 'win' ? Well he got more talking time, and he stepped all over Ryan to speak, and he was mean spirited and appeared the more forceful person.

Still except for a few Dems like yourself, who seem utterly lost, the consensus is more and more that Biden has caused a lot of problems outside the base.

So enjoy, but open your thoughts to what a win actually means.
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