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Author: workwayless Big red star, 1000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: of 1492  
Subject: RWOL and ethics Date: 3/1/2004 5:33 PM
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In a recent post, SP wondered


What are the ethics of taking advantage of "free" days and making low ball contributions in the above kind of situation?

In my opinion, retirement is a luxury and so is saving for retirement.

Is taking advantage of such offers entirely honest?



I thought I would start a seperate thread to discuss this subject.

I hope that everyone will continue to post RWOL ideas like the free day at the museum. What may seem taking advantage to you may not be for other posters.

For the majority, retirement is no luxury. They retire because the day arrives when they will simply no longer able to work any longer, don't have much in the way of savings. Subsisting on SS payments, they have to stretch every dime. If they take advantage of "free" days and low ball contributions, is it ethical?

OK let's take another situation. Let's say that one has saved up enough money to fund an early retirement and thus they had reached financial independence. However if they continue to work then the resulting income taxes could be used to pay down the national debt and FICA contributions could pay for the previous generations SS pension payments. Is it ethical for them to quit?

I think there are situations where ethics are clearly in question--like taking a muffin home from an all-you-can-eat buffet. However in the case of the free day at the museum, one would have to examine ones own situation.


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Author: LEOLOneeds2Bfire Three stars, 500 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 404 of 1492
Subject: Re: RWOL and ethics Date: 3/1/2004 5:52 PM
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I say it depends on the purpose of the “free” thing.

The free day at the museum is just that: a free day for the community to attend. Never ever have I heard that they do this for those who otherwise could not afford. I think it is just a tradition with museums. To kind-of quote SP re social security on the REHP board: “If the government-supported-museum is stupid enough to give me a free day then I'm going to take it.”

Taking free food from a food bank would clearly be wrong. It is obvious that the reason for this food is for those who need it not for those of us who choose not to work. In this situation you are taking food that someone else could use. By going to the museum you aren't taking away anyone's ability to attend.


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Author: tmeri Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool CAPS All Star Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 405 of 1492
Subject: Re: RWOL and ethics Date: 3/1/2004 7:16 PM
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If there is an ethical issue involved, it applies equally to working and retired people, I would think. I don't think the decision should be different for working people than for retired people.

The free admission at the museum that I posted about is available to all county residents. Since I'm a resident of the county, I assume that applies to me.

My guess is that the reason in this case for the free admission is that the museum is partially supported by tax-payers. Even though I am retired, I pay way more than my share of the taxes in this city, but I still don't think that should be relevant to the moral issue. If it is free to all residents, then there shouldn't be a moral issue.

The other one of "pay whatever you want" is more difficult. I haven't been confronted with that and am not sure what would be the right thing to do.

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Author: zsimpson Big funky green star, 20000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 408 of 1492
Subject: Re: RWOL and ethics Date: 3/1/2004 9:12 PM
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To kind-of quote SP re social security on the REHP board: “If the government-supported-museum is stupid enough to give me a free day then I'm going to take it.”

I guess SP's ethics depend upon his mood.

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Subject: Re: RWOL and ethics Date: 3/2/2004 3:34 PM
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<<To kind-of quote SP re social security on the REHP board: “If the government-supported-museum is stupid enough to give me a free day then I'm going to take it.”

I guess SP's ethics depend upon his mood.
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I think Im had better tidy up my comment.


What I said is that if the government is dumb enough to pay money to me in benefits when I don't need it, I will take the money and still reserve the right to point out how dumb that is. Social Security and unemployment benefits might be examples.

You are welcome to comment on that if you wish.


The idea of taking advantage of offers of free attendance or a just amount to contribute for admission when such decisions are left to individuals are worth considering, in my view. Obviously, one is not engaged in fraud ---- the decision to pay or how much is clearly left to the individual.



On the credit card board I asked whther people who were struggling to pay off debts should be encouraged to use food banks to enable them to pay off their debts earlier. This occurred to me when walking buy my neighborhood food bank and seeing large quantities of ice cream and bread being thrown out because no one claimed them.

So--- how to decide? These seem like reasonable questions to me.




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Author: kimflournoy Big red star, 1000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 410 of 1492
Subject: Re: RWOL and ethics Date: 3/2/2004 3:58 PM
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"If the government-supported-museum is stupid enough to give me a free day then I'm going to take it."

I agree - kind of like using double coupons when the item's already on sale. If it cost them that much, they'd just stop offering it, right?

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Author: flipstress One star, 50 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 412 of 1492
Subject: Re: RWOL and ethics Date: 3/3/2004 12:53 PM
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This occurred to me when walking buy my neighborhood food bank and seeing large quantities of ice cream and bread being thrown out because no one claimed them.

What a waste! You think they could have planned better and had an event, say for poor kids with an ice-cream party, and publicized it on local radio or newspapers.

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Author: zsimpson Big funky green star, 20000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 414 of 1492
Subject: Re: RWOL and ethics Date: 3/3/2004 3:50 PM
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What a waste! You think they could have planned better and had an event, say for poor kids with an ice-cream party, and publicized it on local radio or newspapers.

Welcome to Government Management.

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