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Subject: Science in the bible Date: 1/10/2001 3:59 PM
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JeffreyW: Perhaps there is far more science and technology in the bible than you are aware of.

coralville: Well perhaps. But I once asked long ago for any examples of a scientific or technological advance primarily inspired by the bible. There was no response. This is not a criticism of the bible as I'm sure if God wanted to instruct the early Jews about Mendelian genetics, Newtonian physics, or quantum mechanics He could have. But the fact that He didn't suggests that this was/is not the purpose of the bible.

This is a long-winded way of saying that science and religion both deal with looking for Truths. The former does so in the physical universe, the latter in the spiritual. There is no reason for the two to be in conflict.


I only come onto these boards occassionally, dipping in to messages here and there. In message 39570 coralville (above) states that he has previously asked for examples of science, and particularly advances inspired from the bible. It's a pretty poor outcome that no-one is able to, or has bothered to, answer him. As Christians we should all know our bibles - maybe if we spent less time on these boards? ;-)

Anyway coralville, I'm no scientist but I've put together the following examples for you. I hope you find it interesting and enjoyable. Maybe some others could follow the lead and post their own examples?

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(Job 38:31) "Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades, or loose the cords of Orion?"

All stars are moving away from each other, the constellation changing shape over time. All systems except one, that is. As far as we know, the Pleiades are the only group of stars in the universe that is not shooting apart. They are bound, as if by a chain. This was only recently discovered, yet written by Job 4,000 years ago.

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(Job 28:25) "To establish a weight for the wind, and apportion the waters by measure."

Air has weight. So what you might think, everyone knows that. Oh no they don't. Discovered 350 years ago by an Italian, Evangelista Torricelli who went up mountains with big tubes of water. This is recent science, yet written by Job 4,000 years ago!
Could have saved himself at lot of hard work by just reading and believing his bible (although it's always good to confirm via experimentation!)

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(Leviticus 17:11) "For the life of a creature is in the blood…"

We now know this to be biologically correct. The life is indeed in the blood. Only discovered in 1628 by a Dr Harvey who discovered the circulation of the blood.

If the doctor who treated George Washington (the 1st President of the USA) had read and believed the bible, Washington would have probably lived another 15 – 20 years.
After he retired from the Presidency one day he was touring his plantation on horseback and he became ill (probably pneumonia) so they called in the doctor. He practised the old false medical practise of blood letting. He thought that one thing wrong with Washington was his old bad blood! So he cut open a blood vessel and drew out a basin of blood. Of course Washington grew weaker, so he came back later, cut another blood vessel and drew out another basin of blood. He came back a 3rd time and drew out a 3rd basin of blood and literally bled him to death.

If he'd known and believed the bible it wouldn't have happened.

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(Leviticus 13:45-46) ""The person with such an infectious disease must wear torn clothes, let his hair be unkempt, cover the lower part of his face and cry out, 'Unclean! Unclean!' (46) As long as he has the infection he remains unclean. He must live alone; he must live outside the camp."

Here are the scientific principles of hygene & quarantine.

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(Deuteronomy 23:13) "As part of your equipment have something to dig with, and when you relieve yourself, dig a hole and cover up your excrement."

Excrement to be buried in the ground. In the Europe of the Middle Ages it was all thrown into the streets resulting in rampant disease and plague.

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(Leviticus 15:11) ""'Anyone the man with a discharge touches without rinsing his hands with water must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening."

So what? Everyone knows to wash their hands to prevent the spread of infection. Only in the last 100-150 years has Europe started doing these things.

In 1840, Dr Samuel Weiss, a professor at the University of Vienna medical school, in charge of maternity.

When doctors cut up dead bodies to see what had been wrong with it, they would simply wipe the blood off their hands (if they could be bothered!), then go and deliver a baby.

They never washed their hands, after all what was the point, they were only going to get bloody again?!
In April 1840, 57 women died giving birth.
1 in 6 women died in child birth.

Weiss wasn't sure why, but he told all doctors to wash their hands between procedures.

In June 1840, 1 in 42 died.

In July 1840, 1 in 84 died.

All the doctors complained at having to wash their hands all the time and so Weiss was dismissed!

He then went to a hospital in Budapest where the same thing happened!

He was only doing what the bible said, and it worked.

Things only changed when Louie Pasteur discovered the reason why.

When black deaths and plagues swept through and ravaged the populations of Europe, only the Jewish communities remained untouched, because they obeyed the scientific principles in the bible. Perversely everyone blamed the Jews for the plagues and terrible persecutions followed. They should have read the bible themselves.

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(Job 38:35) "Can you send out lightnings, that they may go, And say to you, 'Here we are!'?"

Here is the scientific ability of sending messages by using electricity – written in the bible 4000 years ago!

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(Colossians 2:19) "He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow."

Paul said that growth comes from the head. Almost 2,000 years later we now know this to be scientifically true, biologically speaking. The pituatory gland is found in the head, and governs body growth.

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(Psalms 8:8) "The birds of the air, and the fish of the sea that pass through the paths of the seas."

Matthew Murray of the US Navy suffered a serious injury and forced to retire. He was placed in charge of the Depot of Charts and Instruments of the Hydrographic Office of the US Navy between 1841 – 1861. He understood the problems of the sailors. Read Psalm 8:8 in his bible and believed it, that there were paths or currents of water crossing the oceans. He was also familiar with

(Ecclesiastes 1:6) "The wind blows to the south and turns to the north; round and round it goes, ever returning on its course."

Which says there are wind circuits. He was determined to look for and locate these ocean currents and wind circuits, knowing that it would be a great help to the sailors. He looked for these paths of the sea based on these two scriptures. He was laughed and scoffed at, and called a fool by his contemporary “scientists” purely because he believed in taking a literal interpretation of the bible.

Turned out to be a great help to sailors. He studied ship logs, etc. and discovered currents of water in the sea. 40 miles wide, 2000 ft deep Gulf of Mexico. It reduced by as much as three weeks the time needed to cross certain oceans.
The State of Virginia erected monuments to his memory on which is written

“Matthew Fontain Murray. Path finder of the seas. The genius who 1st snatched from the ocean and atmosphere the secret of their laws. His inspiration Holy Writ, Psalm 8:8 and Ecclesiastes 1:6.”

They called him a genius but he wasn't. He was just a Christian who simply believed the bible. He was just willing to act upon what the bible said.

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(Genesis 2:1-2) "Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array. (2) By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work."

1st law of thermodynamics says that the total quantity of matter and energy in the universe is a constant. Matter can change into energy, energy into energy, etc. This is entirely consistent with what is stated in Genesis 2:1-2.

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(Psalms 102:25-26) "In the beginning you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. (26) They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. Like clothing you will change them and they will be discarded."

This is the 2nd law of thermodynamics or law of entropy.

The entire universe is running down, deteriorating, decaying. All natural processes have a tendency to deteriorate, run down and decay. Things naturally go from complex to simple. It's universal without exception.

It took 3000 years for man to prove this scripture to be true.

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(1 Timothy 6:15-16) "which God will bring about in his own time--God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, (16) who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honour and might forever. Amen."

According to Einstein we have a time dilation theory which says that light has mass. Because it has mass a whole new realm of physics was developed.

1 Tim 6:15-16 says God lives in light, no man can approach Him, and He is immortal. This clashes, on the face of it, with Einstein as the bible also says that He sent His Son to die so we could come to Him.

Einstein says that matter cannot obtain the velocity of light. When you increase the velocity of an object towards the speed of light (c), three phenomena occur. Time slows down, it's energy changes, and it shrinks in size. So when it reaches c (if it could) it weighs more than the entire universe put together, is too small to measure, and it pops out into non-time. Time ceases for it. It becomes immortal/eternal (outside time).

Man is made of matter, therefore man may not reach, or surpass, c. if he could he would be immortal, which he physically isn't. Science therefore agrees with Scripture written thousands of years ago.
(1 Timothy 6:15-16) "which God will bring about in his own time--God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, (16) who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honour and might forever. Amen."

(2 Corinthians 5:8) "We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord."

Out of the body (absent from matter) is to be present with the Lord.

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(Isaiah 65:24) "Before they call I will answer; while they are still speaking I will hear."

If you're outside of time due to being faster than c, as God is, according to relativity theory you would be able to pop back into the 3 dimensional world back in time. The speed of Spirit is faster than the speed of light.

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(Genesis 2:7) "the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being."

Science now agrees with the bible that Man was created from the dust of the earth. We are composed of the same elements in dust, not those of the underlying rock/crust. Scripture never changed, science has.

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(Job 38:4-7) ""Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand. (5) Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it? (6) On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone-- (7) while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?"

When you go out at night there is no sound coming from the sky. In 1944 Holland, a young astrophysicist (sorry I don't have the name) discovered by mathematics that the hydrogen atom sometimes acts as a very weak transmitter. When it does it gives off a little radio signal that would be able to be picked up by a receiver if they had one. His math calculations showed that the bleep (caused by an electron shifting) would only happen once in every 11 million years. After the War, Harvard University funded his experiment and he built a receiver. Early 1950s he heard it. There is so much hydrogen out in space that even though each atom bleeps only once every 11,000,000 years, there was a constant stream of bleeps. They named it the “song of hydrogen”. Stars are made of hydrogen.

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(Job 25:5) "If even the moon does not shine…"

The clear implication here is that the moon has no light of it's own. The ancients thought the moon shone by itself.

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(Luke 17:34-36) ""I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. (35) "Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. (36) "Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left."" (NKJV)

Earth Spins On It's Axis. When it's day here, its night on the other side of the world. We get jet lag, the ancients never had donkey lag!

The ancients didn't know. They thought everyone was at the same time. The only way you can know/discover it, is to be able to travel fast and have an accurate watch.

The 2nd Advent is a single event in time, yet happens in both day and night. This baffled the readers of the bible 2000 years ago, yet we know now that it's a scientifically accurate statement. If He'd said everyone would be eating lunch it would have been totally wrong.

So the moment in time the Lord is coming at a moment of time. Some people it will be day, others it will be night. This only possible because the earth is round and is spinning on its axis.

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(Jeremiah 33:22) "I will make the descendants of David my servant and the Levites who minister before me as countless as the stars of the sky and as measureless as the sand on the seashore."

Written 2600 years ago. Statement that the stars are so great in number they can't be counted.

Well so what you might say, everyone knows that.

200 years ago one of the top astronomers of the day said with all certainty that there were between 1022 – 1056 stars.

He should have read his bible.

Today, with more sophisticated telescopes being built every year astronomers find the further into space they can see, the more and more stars there are. Billions of them.

The stars indeed are countless just as the bible says.
If the bible had said there were 1000 stars it would have been wrong, but it didn't.

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(Ecclesiastes 1:6-7) "The wind blows to the south and turns to the north; round and round it goes, ever returning on its course. (7) All streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is never full. To the place the streams come from, there they return again."

This is the water cycle - it tells you where water comes from. Wind circulation.

But everyone knows this!

About 250 years ago the latest scientific thinking on where rivers came from was as follows.

Frenchman called Parrow (spelt Parrot – bit of a bird brain!) said all mountains floated on the sea. The weight of the mountains pushed water up holes inside, the salt filters out, bubbles out the top of the mountains and flows down as rivers.

What a good idea! This was the latest scientific thinking 250 years ago! Total rubbish!

3000 years ago Solomon got it right! How?

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(Job 26:7) "He spreads out the northern skies over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing."

Some Hindu Vedas say the earth is on the back of 4 elephants, which of course explains why we have earthquakes! The elephants are on top of a huge turtle which in turn is swimming in unimaginably massive sea.
Ask yourself – is this a scientific statement? No it isn't. we've been out to space and there were no elephants out there!

The Greeks said there was a huge man called Atlas who carried the world on his back.

We can now take pictures from outer space that prove that Job 26:7 (written 4000 years ago) in the bible is scientifically correct.

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(Psalms 19:4-5) "Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world. In the heavens he has pitched a tent for the sun, (5) which is like a bridegroom coming forth from his pavilion, like a champion rejoicing to run his course."

The sun isn't still.

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(Isaiah 40:22) "It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in."

The Earth is a circle/sphere, therefore not flat.

So much for those who think Christians are flat-Earthers! Up until only few hundred years ago many did think the earth was flat. They thought if you went beyond the Straits of Gibralter (Pillars of Hercules) you'd fall off the edge of the world! If only they'd read their bible. 4000 years ago Job stated the earth is circular, or spherical. Now we have those famous pictures taken from outer space which confirm that the bible was correct all along. Scripture never changed, science did.

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(Jeremiah 10:12) "But God made the earth by his power; he founded the world by his wisdom and stretched out the heavens by his understanding."

The heavens were stretched out. We now know that space/time itself is stretched.

The bible recognises that to create something you need 2 things. Energy and information. Jer 10:12 is scientifically precise. This is the surprising thing about the scriptures, it says things which are scientifically precise in an age long before modern man came along and thought he'd invented wisdom.

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(Genesis 1:1,3) "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. (3) And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light."

So on the 1st day God created time (the beginning), space (the heavens), matter (the earth), energy (light). All on the 1st day God created the time, space, matter, energy continuum. All of which modern science recognises goes together as a packet. You cannot have matter without space and time in which it vibrates. Matter and energy are inter-convertable, etc. so the very 1st verses of this ancient text is scientifically precise. The Creator is described in the NT as the Logos the bit on the end of all our ologies (biology, geology, etc.). It means the understanding of, the know-how. God is described as the understanding, He is the wisdom. Refers to Christ in John 1. This Logos became flesh.
(John 1:14) "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."
(1 Corinthians 1:24) "but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God."
(1 Corinthians 1:30) "It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God--that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption."

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Certain laws in science are always found to be applicable. In particular there are some basic laws called the Laws of Thermodynamics - the relationship between heat and work.

The 1st law tells us matter/energy cannot be created or destroyed. Matter can be converted into another form of matter. Energy can be converted into another form of energy. Matter can be converted into energy, and energy can be converted into matter.

It follows that if this is so, there is nothing within the universe capable of making the universe. This means that the universe has always existed, unless it was made by something outside of and distinct from the universe. 2 choices – infinitely old or created by an outside cause which although it doesn't follow from this particular law, has to be greater than the universe.

The 2nd law says that things run downhill, things wear out, go from order to chaos and energy becomes less available. Occurs in every spontaineous process, eg. Go tidy your room – you put in energy and information. Spontaneous processes then take over and it goes from order to chaos.

It follows then that if the universe is infinitely old then all those spontaneous processes over an eternity of time would produce complete disorder, which of course we don't have. Just look at the solar system, spiral galaxies. As there is order in the universe it therefore cannot be infinitely old, therefore it was created by something outside of the universe.

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The law of cause and effect. Says nothing happens on its own, things are always caused by something. Also the effect can never be greater than the cause. As years go by scientists see further into the universe. Back in 1989 they discovered the largest structures known in the universe – great walls of galaxies at the far reaches of the known universe. Who knows what's beyond that as well. The 1st cause of such space the universe has to be greater than all that, and therefore infinite. It also follows that that first cause is everywhere in the universe and you can't get away from it.

(Psalms 139:7-10) "Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? (8) If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there. (9) If I rise on the wings of the dawn, if I settle on the far side of the sea, (10) even there your hand will guide me, your right hand will hold me fast."

The One (1st cause) who created time has to be greater than time and therefore eternal.
Ah, who made God? A non-question. He's eternal, outside of time, therefore with Him there is no such thing as beginning or end.
God just is!
(Hebrews 11:6) "But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him."
God is the “I am”.
(Exodus 3:14) "God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'""
These scriptures are scientifically correct.

The 1st cause of all genetic information must be all knowing – omniscient.
The 1st cause of all the energy in the universe must be all powerful – omnipotent. Think of all the power in the sun. We can feel it from 93 million miles away. It's just an average star, one of millions in our galaxy. There are millions of galaxies, clusters and even walls of them, and He is more powerful than all of it.
(Ephesians 3:20) "Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us,"

May the first cause of love infinitely bless you,

mightywind
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