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Subject: SCOTUS failed to think it through Date: 4/1/2013 3:44 PM
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A challenge filed by the Pacific Legal Foundation contends that the Affordable Care Act is unconstitutional because the bill originated in the Senate, not the House. Under the Origination Clause of the Constitution, all bills raising revenue must begin in the House. The Supreme Court upheld most provisions of the act in June, but Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. took pains in the majority opinion to define Obamacare as a federal tax, not a mandate. That was when the Sacramento, Calif.-based foundation’s attorneys had their “aha” moment.

“The court there quite explicitly says, ‘This is not a law passed under the Commerce Clause; this is just a tax,’” foundation attorney Timothy Sandefur said at a Cato Institute forum on legal challenges to the health care act. “Well, then the Origination Clause ought to apply. The courts should not be out there carving in new exceptions to the Origination Clause.”

The Justice Department [headed by librul Attorney General Eric Holder] filed a motion to dismiss the challenge in November, arguing that the high court has considered only eight Origination Clause cases in its history and “has never invalidated an act of Congress on that basis.”

The U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia is expected to rule on the Justice Department’s motion “any day now,” said Pacific Legal Foundation attorney Paul J. Beard.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/31/obamacare-la...

Of course we don't hear about this very important event in the librul media. Mustn't report on anything that may imperil OwebamaKare.
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Subject: Re: SCOTUS failed to think it through Date: 4/1/2013 7:07 PM
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A challenge filed by the Pacific Legal Foundation contends that the Affordable Care Act is unconstitutional because the bill originated in the Senate, not the House. Under the Origination Clause of the Constitution, all bills raising revenue must begin in the House.

Except that it did originate in the House. It simply got seriously manipulated by the Senate.

There are 7 versions of Bill Number H.R.3590 for the 111th Congress. Usually, the last item is the most recent.
1 . Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009 (Introduced in House - IH)[H.R.3590.IH][PDF]
2 . Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009 (Engrossed in House [Passed House] - EH)[H.R.3590.EH][PDF]
3 . Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009 (Placed on Calendar Senate - PCS)[H.R.3590.PCS][PDF]
4 . Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Amendment in Senate - AS)[H.R.3590.AS][PDF]
5 . Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Public Print - PP)[H.R.3590.PP][PDF]
6 . Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Engrossed Amendment Senate - EAS)[H.R.3590.EAS][PDF]
7 . Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Enrolled Bill [Final as Passed Both House and Senate] - ENR)[H.R.3590.ENR][PDF]

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.3590:

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Subject: Re: SCOTUS failed to think it through Date: 4/1/2013 10:04 PM
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A challenge filed by the Pacific Legal Foundation contends that the Affordable Care Act is unconstitutional because the bill originated in the Senate, not the House.

Good luck with this. The single biggest favor conservatives can do for Obama, Democrats running for Congress in 2014, and the American people is to overturn Obamacare on some kind of technicality.

Obama needs a mulligan on this. ACA is a mess, a horse designed by committee and compromise.

Few things would energize the Dem base more than ACA being struck down.

And the American people might, after all, get what they deserve: a universal health care coverage system to replace the outrageously expensive anachronistic crap system we have now.

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Subject: Re: SCOTUS failed to think it through Date: 4/1/2013 10:15 PM
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And the American people might, after all, get what they deserve: a universal health care coverage system to replace the outrageously expensive anachronistic crap system we have now.
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Yes, universal Medicaid and Medicare, that's the answer. I agree, it is the system Americans deserve, good and hard, since they voted for Obama, and anyone having paid attention the last 5 years knows socialised healthcare has been the goal all along, and Obamacare is really just a trojan horse.

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Subject: Re: SCOTUS failed to think it through Date: 4/2/2013 1:13 PM
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...socialised healthcare has been the goal all along,...

We've had socialized healthcare all along. We don't let people die for lack of insurance. If they show up in the ER they get treated (and by the most expensive system imaginable, i.e. the ER). The hospital doesn't eat that, the government pays for it. Always has, always will.

We may as well get a more efficient system in place (e.g. universal Medicare), because we're not going to let some guy die for lack of treatment. As a bonus, the ER may become less crowded and you can get seen in less than 6 hours...

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Subject: Re: SCOTUS failed to think it through Date: 4/2/2013 1:26 PM
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We may as well get a more efficient system in place (e.g. universal Medicare), because we're not going to let some guy die for lack of treatment. As a bonus, the ER may become less crowded and you can get seen in less than 6 hours...
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You must have gotten your calendar wrong

A more efficient system?

Just because someone says something does not make it so.

Competition will beat monopoly is the vast majority of circumstances, it will kick the hell out of it when that monopoly is government run.

Perhaps I am jaded living in NYC and seeing things like CUNY churn out more expensive degrees with better paid professors to students who could probably not pass the GED

Perhaps it is seeing the government not be able to successfully run a bookmaking operation at a profit!

Perhaps it is seeing the city education system in general get more expensive as a metric to anywhere else as the results crashed

Perhaps it is the City run hospitals being cesspools

If you look at the places where the policies that liberals so desperately desire are actually in place, you do not see a record of things getting better, quite the contrary

And on the rare occasion you do find a time when things do get better, you find the liberals marching in the streets calling the person driving improvement a Nazi!

Other than the way things tend to get more expensive and less efficient rather than cheaper your post makes sense, of course that is your only claim so it is more than a little silly.

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Subject: Re: SCOTUS failed to think it through Date: 4/2/2013 4:10 PM
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As a bonus, the ER may become less crowded and you can get seen in less than 6 hours...

A word to the greyling numbnut. When something is "free", there is no incentive to be cautious or conservative about the commodity. Trust me, I worked many an hour in the ER during residency training. There were way too many people waiting to be seen just because: it was raining, it was sunny, the welfare check came, the welfare check is late, it was hot, it was cold, I'm hungry, I'm vomiting but I managed to eat a big mac and fries while waiting, I've had this sore toe for 2 weeks but now at 2AM I think I need it checked.

Its The Tragedy of the Commons.

JLC

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Subject: Re: SCOTUS failed to think it through Date: 4/2/2013 5:20 PM
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As a bonus, the ER may become less crowded and you can get seen in less than 6 hours...

I am always seen within 20 minutes at our ER.

It is in a small town and most people pay for their treatment, ironically (if you are a liberal) the hospital works almost exactly the opposite of how Obama wants it to work.

Jim

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