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.... about the shootings in France.
French police are saying that the guns used in the shootings today at the Jewish school are the same as those used to kill French-Muslim soldiers last week.
Who would want to kill Jews and Muslims both?
That's more like the Nazi era.
Dov
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.... about the shootings in France.
French police are saying that the guns used in the shootings today at the Jewish school are the same as those used to kill French-Muslim soldiers last week.
Who would want to kill Jews and Muslims both?
That's more like the Nazi era.
Almost. Neo-nazis. Like the guy who shot up a youth camp in Norway last year.
Elan
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French police are saying that the guns used in the shootings today at the Jewish school are the same as those used to kill French-Muslim soldiers last week.
Who would want to kill Jews and Muslims both?
That's more like the Nazi era.
Almost. Neo-nazis. Like the guy who shot up a youth camp in Norway last year.
Elan
right ... they never truly disappeared ... I've always felt if a people have a sense of grievance (The November Criminals, The Stab in the Back) and they also are living through a prolonged economic crisis ... watch out.
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It’s not weird that an Islamofascist would oppose French soldiers; after all, France has troops in Afghanistan.
In fact, such a person would see Muslims serving in the French army as traitors.
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It’s not weird that an Islamofascist would oppose French soldiers; after all, France has troops in Afghanistan.
In fact, such a person would see Muslims serving in the French army as traitors.
I don't like the word Islamofascist ... it's too political and essentially meaningless.
Other than that, I agree with what you wrote. He probably did see them as traitors and I bet he sought out Muslims soldiers in particular ... and of course, Jews.
a cruel man .... I'd hang him, if convicted, but I am not sentimental about the death penalty.
Dov
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I don't like the word Islamofascist ... it's too political and essentially meaningless.
I agree. The phrase was probably coined by Faux News. They're good at creating labels to promote hate. I think the labels Islamic fundamentalist, Jihadist, Islamic terrorist, are good enough.
Other than that, I agree with what you wrote. He probably did see them as traitors and I bet he sought out Muslims soldiers in particular ... and of course, Jews.
I don't think he picked out Muslim soldiers in particular. Weren't one or two of them blacks from French Caribbean territories?
Elan
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I don't think he picked out Muslim soldiers in particular. Weren't one or two of them blacks from French Caribbean territories?
you know I just went to google to try and find the names and some information about the soldiers who were shot.
good luck finding that out .... all the stories seem to say are that three were shot, two were killed outright and one is in critical condition. nothing about their names, their families, etc.
but the shooter is getting his name, his history and all kinds of biographical coverage all over the media .... nothing about the soldiers.
I do remember seeing their names a day or two ago, they seemed like islamic names, but I am not 100% sure.
sad ...
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Des personnalités régionales seront également là aux côtés des trois cercueils dans la cour de la caserne aux côtés des militaires du 17e RGP, qui a perdu deux des siens sous les balles du tueur le 15 mars, et d'un détachement du 1er Régiment du train parachutiste (RTP) de Francazal, près de Toulouse, qui a vu périr un de ses hommes. Abel Chennouf, 25 ans et Mohamed Legouade, 23 ans, tous deux d'origine maghrébine, appartenaient au 17e RGP, régiment de 750 militaires très apprécié parmi les 58.000 habitants de Montauban. Ils ont été tués à deux pas de leur caserne par le tueur au scooter qui a vidé son arme automatique sur eux. Un camarade, Loïc Liber, était toujours entre la vie et la mort mardi. Imad Ibn Ziaten, 30 ans, du 1er RTP, fut la première victime du tueur, abattu le 11 mars à Toulouse d'une balle dans la tête tirée à bout portant. Le jeune homme, d'origine marocaine, doit être inhumé au Maroc, d'après son entourage.
http://lci.tf1.fr/france/societe/tueries-l-hommage-mercredi-...
Abe
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Sadly enough, I do not speak French. But a chap has to at least understand more or less written French if he works there.
Abe
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Sadly enough, I do not speak French.
I can pick out a few words thanks to high school French from 45 years ago .... but still very deficient. I used the Google translater which worked reasonably well.
But a chap has to at least understand more or less written French if he works there.
Abe
you're working in France?
on a side note, I recently downloaded 'the Sorrow and the Pity' ... very interesting documentary I had heard about a long time ago. Am about 3/4s through it.
really great seeing those guys from the resistance ...
Dov
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you're working in France?
Some town called Paris. Not so many jobs in Malad, these days. We are still waiting for the Obama effect in Idaho. And a chap has hungry mouths to feed, so he gotta move. Funny enough, within some time they will send me to Malta. From Malad to Malta. Mere coincidence?
Abe
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The phrase was probably coined by Faux News.
It’s a word, not a phrase, and it was popularized by your fellow atheists.
If you’re interested, here are the facts as reported by Wikipedia:
The term "Islamofascism" is included in the New Oxford American Dictionary, which defines it as "a controversial term equating some modern Islamic movements with the European fascist movements of the early twentieth century". The term is used in this manner by writers like Stephen Schwartz and Christopher Hitchens, to describe Islamist extremists, including terrorist groups such as al Qaeda, Hamas and Hezbollah. William Safire makes particular note of Hitchens as a "popularizer" of the word, though Hitchens declined credit for coining it. The terms Islamic fascism and Muslim fascism are also used by the French philosopher Michel Onfray, an outspoken atheist and antireligionist, who notes in his Atheist Manifesto that Ruhollah Khomeini's Islamic Revolution "gave birth to an authentic Muslim fascism”.
The origins of the term are uncertain. William Safire writes that the "first use [he] can find" comes from Malise Ruthven in 1990, when Ruthven wrote in The Independent that "authoritarian government, not to say Islamo-fascism, is the rule rather than the exception from Morocco to Pakistan." Albert Scardino writes that the term "seems to have appeared first" in a Washington Times piece, in which scholar Khalid Duran used it "as a criticism of hyper-traditionalist clerics." According to the Times, this piece appeared in July 2001.
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I have just very little knowledge about the Arab world, but somehow my gut feeling is that the term 'Islamofascism' diminishes the consequences of
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I have just very little knowledge about the Arab world, but somehow my gut feeling is that the term 'Islamofascism' diminishes the consequences of the original fascism in the thirties and forties.
Abe
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