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Author: McLaury Three stars, 500 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: of 4870  
Subject: Stealiing and being stolen from Date: 1/14/2001 4:35 AM
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I'm not worried about my ideas being stolen - you can't copyright ideas anyway.

I do worry, however, as someone else said, that I will inadvertently steal someone's else's idea.

We all know that there are very few truly original ideas.

Most work takes a kernel from here a kernel from there and puts a unique stamp on the project.

I have been thinking for the last few years about how a particular decision or event can change the course of our lives. Then out comes the movie "Sliding Doors" (which I thought was great). Did they steal my idea? Heck no. I never mentioned it to anyone. It's not a unique thought, but one I was fascinated by. If I had written a movie, the premise would have been the same, but everything else would have been different. Could I have claimed that the writer and producers of Sliding Doors had stolen my idea. No.

Just as in scientific research where researchers in different parts of the world can come up with "breakthroughs" at the same time without any interaction, many people can be thinking of a song or novel or movie about the same subject, even with a similar twist and there is no theft involved.

So, my feeling is, write it and put it out there in the world. Just because someone else had a similar idea, that doesn't mean they stole it.

Susan
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Author: criscarson Big red star, 1000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 36 of 4870
Subject: Re: Stealiing and being stolen from Date: 1/14/2001 9:33 AM
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Morning all...
1st cup of coffee still hasn't had its desired effect yet so bear w/me here...
Sunday mornings are my 'utopian' time too. I like going out on the terrace of my apartmenet every sun. morning and reflecting...'what a pretty Sunday, how calm and peaceful it is today, etc.'
Does anyone else think that it's ironic, that in Alabama anyway, "Sun"days are always that? I don't remember the last time it rained on Sunday!(g)

Return latrer,

criscarson

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Author: dklx3 Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 62 of 4870
Subject: Re: Stealiing and being stolen from Date: 1/16/2001 11:50 AM
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Idea duplication can be particularly true in some genres, notably the one I am interested in... science fiction. Sliding Doors is a sort of "What if I had it to do over again" theme. Various "time travel" stories, such as Replay (Ken Grimwood) dwell in this arena.

As someone previously said, there aren't too many new ideas.. so the trick is what you do with your characters, setting, use of language, point of view, etc, etc, etc

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Author: jeanpaulsartre Big gold star, 5000 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 68 of 4870
Subject: Re: Stealiing and being stolen from Date: 1/16/2001 2:25 PM
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I have been thinking for the last few years about how a particular decision or event can change the course of our lives. Then out comes the movie "Sliding Doors" (which I thought was great). Did they steal my idea? Heck no.

Stolen intellectual property is sometimes hard to demonstrate. We all share a lot of the same cultural stimulants, so people get similar ideas nearly simultaneously.

But out-and-out thievery is maddening. I live in Los Angeles, and it's not uncommon to hear one (struggling) person's idea end up as another (rich) person's Ally McBeal episode in a very short time.

"Immature artists imitate--mature artists plagiarize"--TS Eliot.

jeanpaulsartre

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Author: jeanpaulsartre Big gold star, 5000 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 69 of 4870
Subject: Re: Stealiing and being stolen from Date: 1/16/2001 2:26 PM
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Oh, BTW, I write, largely erotica that the Fool censors consider pornographic.

jeanpaulsartre

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Author: Raggmopp Big funky green star, 20000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 76 of 4870
Subject: Re: Stealiing and being stolen from Date: 1/16/2001 2:57 PM
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Oh, BTW, I write, largely erotica that the Fool censors consider pornographic.
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What passes for censorship at TMF is truly something to behold. No two decisions alike.

Raggmopp



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Author: TMF2Aruba Big funky green star, 20000 posts Old School Fool CAPS All Star Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 101 of 4870
Subject: Re: Stealiing and being stolen from Date: 1/16/2001 8:25 PM
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What passes for censorship at TMF is truly something to behold. No two decisions alike.

That's it, Raggmopp! I've gotta see about getting that post removed.

;)

Tony
...but I still am...

Off2Aruba

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Author: feghoot One star, 50 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 105 of 4870
Subject: Re: Stealiing and being stolen from Date: 1/16/2001 8:47 PM
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I suspect there are no new ideas. I saw the movie Groundhog Day, and recognized at least part of the story was the same as one of Ray Bradbury's short stories.

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Author: OUCI81 One star, 50 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 114 of 4870
Subject: Re: Stealiing and being stolen from Date: 1/16/2001 9:55 PM
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Shake your hand there, feghoot. Nice to meet another Bradbury fan.

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Author: PollySigh Three stars, 500 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 132 of 4870
Subject: Re: Stealiing and being stolen from Date: 1/17/2001 3:29 PM
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I know the feeling. I wrote a story in the ninth grade about a girl who was trying to put her life back together after her parents had been murdered. In the end, she realizes she is dead also.

Years later I go to the movies and see Bruce Willis in The Sixth Sense. Go figure! Oh well, at least it was a good idea. I just figure that there are no new ideas, just new ways of presenting them.

-Daphne

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Author: PollySigh Three stars, 500 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 133 of 4870
Subject: Re: Stealiing and being stolen from Date: 1/17/2001 3:32 PM
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JPS,
Do you manage to sell any of your work? I've done a few erotica pieces, usually a 3-4 page scene set within a 10-15 page story.

I enjoy writing it, but I find peoples reactions to be a bit, uhm, dicey.

Best of luck with your writing.
-Daphne

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Author: dklx3 Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 135 of 4870
Subject: Re: Stealiing and being stolen from Date: 1/17/2001 3:58 PM
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Perhaps not NO new ideas... after all, didn't the head of the patent office of the United States once state that everything that would ever be invented already had.....

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Author: TMF2Aruba Big funky green star, 20000 posts Old School Fool CAPS All Star Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 137 of 4870
Subject: Re: Stealiing and being stolen from Date: 1/17/2001 4:04 PM
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Years later I go to the movies and see Bruce Willis in The Sixth Sense. Go figure! Oh well, at least it was a good idea. I just figure that there are no new ideas, just new ways of presenting them.

Actually, that's true, Daphne. There are actually only about 20 plot lines, and every story can be narrowed down to one of them.

Tony
...but I still am...

Off2Aruba

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Author: Raggmopp Big funky green star, 20000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 139 of 4870
Subject: Re: Stealiing and being stolen from Date: 1/17/2001 5:03 PM
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Actually, that's true, Daphne. There are actually only about 20 plot lines, and every story can be narrowed down to one of them.
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Well there are only 88 keys on a piano so I guess no new music is being written, huh? It's just the old melodies and harmonies rehashed. Bwahahahaha!

Raggmopp



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Author: feghoot One star, 50 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 171 of 4870
Subject: Re: Stealiing and being stolen from Date: 1/19/2001 12:07 AM
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I doubt if any censorship could quite compete with one board that I posted on a couple of years ago. It bowdlerized the name of a New England state to M***achusetts; my sister, who lives in Washita County, Oklahoma had a similar problem when she tried to post the county name.

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Author: patchrose One star, 50 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 203 of 4870
Subject: Re: Stealiing and being stolen from Date: 1/20/2001 8:39 PM
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But out-and-out thievery is maddening.

I agree. Back in 1978, My brother wrote a beautiful ballad called "Summer Again.

Last year I put it on my last album, an album of music he and I had written. As part of the marketing, etc, I had mp3s of the song on my website.

About 6 mos. later, my brother does an internet search for his song, and two entries pop up. The other -- a dance track written by some guy in Germany, and Tom's lyrics! He had taken the lyrics exactly - not even trying to change them at all -- and made them the lyrics to his dance track!

So my brother sent him an email saying, "Hope you sell the song -- I could use the residuals." But as far as I know, he's still got the song on the web with the stolen lyrics.

So do make sure you keep good records, copyrighted or not!

Patch Rose

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