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Author: trhattan Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: of 294  
Subject: survivor pension option vs insurance Date: 6/29/2001 2:48 PM
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I am retiring in a few weeks. I am still wrestling with whether to take the available 100% survivor option on my pension (which reduces my pension by about $4000/year) or taking the full undiscounted pension and purchasing term insurance to cover my wife in case of my demise.

My concern is that while I can purchase sufficient term insurance in a 10 year policy much more cheaply than $4000/year, I fear that I may be uninsurable (or insurable, but in a high risk category) when the policy expires and I am looking for a replacement.

Any opinions or help out there?
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Author: MDGrabhorn Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 111 of 294
Subject: Re: survivor pension option vs insurance Date: 7/1/2001 8:53 PM
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Be careful when you ask for an opinion, you may get one.

Anyway, in response to your question, be VERY VERY careful forgoing the survivor benefit for your spouse with this strategy. The concept you are toying with was once referred to as "pension max" before regulators clamped down on it. If you want to research the negatives, look to some old Jane Bryant Quinn articles inre.

You should be aware, that this really is not your choice. Your spouse has the ultimate decision as she is the one who will be signing away rights to a survivor pension.

Insurability is always the issue with this concept. Not just in 10 years, but now. Are you insurable now, at the rate you have been quoted? Are the 10 year rates guaranteed not to increase? Does the insurance policy have a guaranteed conversion to a permanent policy, in case you are not insurable in 10 years? If so, at what rate, how much will it cost then?

Most pensions do not have a cost of living adjustment, but I guarantee you, insurance will cost more in 10 years.

You did not indicate your age, health or your spouse's age or health, but both of those factors are very important as well.

In short, if you are worrying now about whether this scheme will work, imagine what your stress will be in 3, 5, or 10 years, especially if your health gets worse. This is not a light decision to be made at the last minute. The lure of a $4000 more per year in income may be nice. However, once you deduct the insurance and adjust for taxes, how much are you really saving versus the risk?

For peace of mind and to eliminate unnecessary risk, take the survivor option.

Best of luck to you.

M Grabhorn, CFP

P.S. If you really think your spouse is going to die first, take out a term policy on her. It should be cheaper.


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Author: acellis Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 112 of 294
Subject: Re: survivor pension option vs insurance Date: 7/2/2001 2:18 AM
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>>>>>I am retiring in a few weeks. I am still wrestling with whether to take the available 100% survivor option on my pension (which reduces my pension by about $4000/year) or taking the full undiscounted pension and purchasing term insurance to cover my wife in case of my demise.

Are continued medical benefits for your spouse contingent on accepting the survivor option? Just a thought. Medical insurance is expensive these days and might be more than the reduction.

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Author: trhattan Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 113 of 294
Subject: Re: survivor pension option vs insurance Date: 7/5/2001 3:27 PM
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M Grabhorn,
Thanks for the input. You fed back to me my own thoughts and concerns about going the term life route. It was nice to get some outside confirmation. I'm going for the survivor annuity.

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Author: MDGrabhorn Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 114 of 294
Subject: Re: survivor pension option vs insurance Date: 7/6/2001 12:26 AM
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trhattan

Glad to be of some help. Enjoy that retirement and stay active.

If you get the time, come visit my board here on the fool: Pension Benefit Mistakes.


MDGrabhorn, CFP
www.pensionrecovery.com



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