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Author: LurkerMom Big funky green star, 20000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: of 1977318  
Subject: The Brave New Right Date: 12/16/2001 12:20 PM
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Excellent op-ed piece worth the read.......

<<<THE BRAVE NEW RIGHT
THE "SILENT MAJORITY" IS TALKING By: Elysian Hunter

After forty years of leftist neo-socialist propaganda being forced down the American people's collective throats, finally, in a long-overdue renaissance, we are starting to display an understanding of common sense. My generation, the so-called "Gen-X" has been twice disillusioned. We wanted the material successes of our parents' generation but without their turmoils. We were the children who grew up in the wake of "free love," and we discovered that it was neither free nor love. We have been left to discover for ourselves how empty and shallow and false the promises of the "Great Society" are. We are the ones who have to attempt to repair the past forty years' worth of damage- we must find solutions that will repair a broken culture and a failed educational system. We are also the ones who are challenged to find an alternative to the current entitlement state in which all one has to do to be "more equal" than the other "animals" is to claim to be a member of an oppressed group.

Why are "Gen-Xer's" taking a hard right turn? Our early indoctrinations often made no sense. Many of us were frustrated by school systems that often as not punished displays of excellence, discouraged intelligent discourse, and attempted to subjugate all students in a perverted effort to mold every mind to one standard of mediocrity. Stay behind with the rest of the class? This phrase is the summation of the "Great Society" and of the leftist movement. In the Marxist mindset there is no call to excellence, no reward for merit. Yet humans are driven by an innate desire to succeed in their endeavors. The satisfaction of accomplishment, once experienced, is often its own reward. The error in Marxist thought is that the concept of meritocracy does not exist, that equality lies in being the same as others instead of in equality of opportunity- the freedom to achieve, and reap the rewards of one's labor, according to one's talent, willingness to work and desire.>>>

<<<http://www.etherzone.com/hunt121901.shtml>>>





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Author: TheSilentType Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 99562 of 1977318
Subject: Re: The Brave New Right Date: 12/16/2001 3:40 PM
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<THE BRAVE NEW RIGHT
THE "SILENT MAJORITY" IS TALKING By: Elysian Hunter

. . .

Why are "Gen-Xer's" taking a hard right turn?>

Must have been a real recent right turn or perhaps the voters of Virginia and New Jersey just aren't part of this new "majority" yet, having rejected the Republican conservative candidates just last month and returning Democrats to the governor's office after years of Republican control in both states

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Author: mcemerson Big funky green star, 20000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 99565 of 1977318
Subject: Re: The Brave New Right Date: 12/16/2001 3:53 PM
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Must have been a real recent right turn or perhaps the voters of Virginia and New Jersey just aren't part of this new "majority" yet, having rejected the Republican conservative candidates just last month and returning Democrats to the governor's office after years of Republican control in both states

I haven't paid much attention to VA but New Jersey has always been a liberal state. Whitman was the most liberal Republican governor at the time of her departure. Going Democratic can hardly be called a left turn. I thought it was pretty amazing that a Republican was ever elected. That a conservative Republican managed to get 43% of the vote (note this is the same amount that got Bill Clinton elected) is a good sign.

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Author: Vile Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 99579 of 1977318
Subject: Re: The Brave New Right Date: 12/16/2001 7:05 PM
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LurkerMom,
"Excellent op-ed piece worth the read......."

Excellent article LM. Thanks for sharing. Gosh your sexy when you post like that. ;)

Cheers,

Vile
NEVER SAY DIE!!!

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Author: JDCRex Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 99586 of 1977318
Subject: Re: The Brave New Right Date: 12/16/2001 8:36 PM
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Check out her website.

While there's no picture of Elysian Hunt, she seems to be giving Ann Coulter a run for her money in the conservative's wet dream stakes.

All your favorite axes to grind are on display.....

Check it out! You'll have a ball!

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Author: JDCRex Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 99588 of 1977318
Subject: Re: The Brave New Right Date: 12/16/2001 8:41 PM
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Woops. Clicked the wrong button.

Check out her website.

http://www.geocities.com/elysianhunter/

While there's no picture of Elysian Hunt

Make that Elysian Hunter. (That's quite a name!)





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Author: mcemerson Big funky green star, 20000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 99598 of 1977318
Subject: Re: The Brave New Right Date: 12/16/2001 9:44 PM
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While there's no picture of Elysian Hunt, she seems to be giving Ann Coulter a run for her money in the conservative's wet dream stakes.

Here's a picture of her (scroll down to the bottom of the page),

http://www.palaceofreason.com/Personal/elysian_hunter.html

My dreams will be dry tonight. ;~)

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Author: JDCRex Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 99623 of 1977318
Subject: Re: The Brave New Right Date: 12/16/2001 11:45 PM
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My dreams will be dry tonight. ;~)

I must admit to a politically incorrect chuckle at that one.....

Digging a bit deeper, she sure has something against fashion designers.

http://www.palaceofreason.com/Personal/elysian_hunter.html

"Pet Peeves: Homosexual fashion designers who design clothes that look good on anorexics or twelve year old boys but not on real women"

http://www.geocities.com/elysianhunter/worldview.html

"I have several theories regarding women's fashion design. The first is that the fashion hierarchy is inhabited by gay pedophiles. This means that the clothing you buy was designed to look good on a twelve-year old boy."

Hmmmmmmmmm I sense a fair bit of bitterness there. One feels if she were a clothes horse, she wouldn't be quite so vitriolic

Yet judging men by their physical appearance is A-OK it seems. Admittedly, she says this is humor, but I wonder how she'd feel if she was described in terms equivalent to this:-

http://www.geocities.com/elysianhunter/worldview.html

"I loved this picture as it is so true to life- what you expect and what you're promised (as represented by the bodacious, beefcake, yummy looking guy on the left) has such a way of turning into profound disappointment (as aptly represented by the balding, portly, drooling slob on the right who has an uncanny, no, spooky, resemblance to my ex-husband.)"

How about if her photo was used as the negative next to some uber-model fantasy, with the sentiment "this is what you want, this is what you get?"








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Subject: Re: The Brave New Right Date: 12/17/2001 10:58 AM
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Why are "Gen-Xer's" taking a hard right turn?

Don't look now, but they're not. This is purely wishful thinking on the part of someone with such a distorted view that they would write: "After forty years of leftist neo-socialist propaganda being forced down the American people's collective throats

For instance, in an independent poll poll in New Jersey, Gen-Xers described themselves as:

Conservative: 18%
Liberal: 22%

They think "Government should do more to solve problems" with a 60% agreement rate. That compares with 48% of Boomers and 37% of Matures.

Here, you can read it for yourself:

http://www.pacpubserver.com/new/news/3-1-00/genX.html

What's that? Oh, New Jersey doesn't count. Got it. Do you have some actual data to back up this absurd claim, or are you, as so many of your ilk, satisfied to say:

"Here is my conclusion, now I'm going to arrange the facts to support it."

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Subject: Re: The Brave New Right Date: 12/17/2001 11:20 AM
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Excuse me while I throw up.

There is not one shred of anything backing up any of the assertions in this piece. Not one. If anything, we are swinging back to the left. Do I have anything to back this statement up? About as much as the author of that hack job has, which ain't much.

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Author: masonjarjar Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 99701 of 1977318
Subject: Re: The Brave New Right Date: 12/17/2001 12:47 PM
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Being an Xer, I just don't see it. I don't remember any of my peers looking up to Reagan the way that folks supposedly looked up to Kennedy or Roosevelt.. I think being brought up with mainly 'humanistic' education has made us look to ourselves more and "heroes" less.. besides, any respect I might have had towards the Reagan administration were shattered in 1987 by the contra-hearings ("I can't recall" .. "I don't remember"), and that year also pretty much put the final nail the coffin for any hope of me ever respecting religious leaders ('87 was also the year all those televangelist clowns fell from glory)..

I know we get a bad rep as a generation, but when the idea of a babysitter became a cathode ray nipple, what do ya'll expect? You slap us in front of a television where we witnessed thousands of murders (both fictional and not) and then expect us to care..

I think a lot of the stereotypes about us are true.. I think a lot of us are numb, desensitized, so to speak. Look at extreme sports, we pretty much invented that stuff.. why? Baseball is BOOOORING!!

Maybe there has been a lot of "crap" left for us to fix by the previous generations.. afterall, the prosperity that polluted our rivers also paid for our education.. But why should we care? Do we have some collective contract that it's OUR job to clean this mess up? Do we have some duty to start putting the "family" back together? If anything, we're NOT getting married because we DON'T want to make the same mistakes our parents made.. A lot of us would rather be succesful at being single and childfree rather than failures as spouses and parents. So we live in urban tribes instead of families..

Does any of this make Xers more liberal or conservative? Maybe a little of both.. I like being fiscally responsible, but gosh, leave your religious views at home.. I like thinking that I care about our planet and the rainforests but sheesh, sometimes I wonder if it really matters if some bug or bird goes extinct.. it's been happening since the beginning of time! Be it from a chemical plant or a rock from space..

Don't try to paint us all the same color, because we're not.

-jarjar
not the voice of his generation.

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Subject: Re: The Brave New Right Date: 12/17/2001 12:58 PM
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For instance, in an independent poll poll in New Jersey, Gen-Xers described themselves as:

Conservative:              18%
Liberal:                   22%
Don't know the difference: 60%


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Subject: Re: The Brave New Right Date: 12/17/2001 6:24 PM
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So you're saying that all the accusations we see here from conservatives about young Americans being deviously indoctrinated by a supposedly leftist educational system are just a bunch of baloney?

That's what I thought. :)



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Subject: Re: The Brave New Right Date: 12/17/2001 11:45 PM
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For instance, in an independent poll poll in New Jersey, Gen-Xers described themselves as:

Conservative: 18%
Liberal: 22%


Well, there are two problems I can see with this argument. The first
is that the poll is limited to New Jersey. We don't know that New
Jersey Gen-Xers are representative of the whole country.

The second problem is that liberal doesnt always match with left or
left with Democrat or Democrat with liberal. It is quite possible
to be of a liberal mind and also support Republicanism with its emphasis
on the individual rather than the majority.

It is even possible for someone with a liberal mind to end up agreeing
with a conservative on a certain position. Indeed, the essence of being
a liberal isn't being anti-conservative -- it is thoughtfully
considering many possibilities without prejudice and to keep an open
mind. Some of the principles and positions held by those of a
conservative mind out of a sense of tradition where first advanced by
those of more liberal minds. There may even be good reasons behind
these ideas, but noone who considers themselves a liberal can dismiss
them out of hand because conservatives may advocate them. Thats not
being a liberal -- its being a reactionary.

The most mentally liberal thing a liberal thinker can do is realize
that they don't have to agree with every position of the left-wing.
Just because other liberal thinkers have left-wing positions doesn't
mean you can just give-up thinking liberally and unquestioning adopt their conclusions.

It may be that Gen-X liberals are not as leftist as older liberals.

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Subject: Re: The Brave New Right Date: 12/18/2001 4:01 AM
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Well, there are two problems I can see with this argument. The first is that the poll is limited to New Jersey. We don't know that New Jersey Gen-Xers are representative of the whole country.

Yes, it's entirely possible that "New Jersey" is some sort of spacially distorted political zone, and that things which are true there are simply not true anywhere else in the country. However since the composition of New Jersey's actual elected officials isn't so strangely different from many other states (having both a Republican Governor and Republican majority in the House), I'll wait for some "evidence" before I accept your theory.

Oh. Here's some of mine: You might want to scroll down to the chart at the bottom of the page, the "Partisanship of 18-29 year olds". Since Gen-Xers are 30, plus or minus 5-9 years, the chart isn't a perfect snapshot, but it does put the lie to the tripe which started this thread - that Gen-Xers are taking "a hard right turn".

http://slerp.rutgers.edu/releases/gub01.htm

There's simply no proof offered, and your only reply is "Well maybe New Jersey is different." Maybe it is. Prove it.

The second problem is that liberal doesnt always match with left or left with Democrat or Democrat with liberal. It is quite possible to be of a liberal mind and also support Republicanism with its emphasis on the individual rather than the majority.

Sure, anything is possible. Are you saying that you agree with the original poster, that Gen-Xers have taken a "hard turn to the right", but somehow so many of them are "liberal Republicans" that they can statistically skew this poll? It would be great if you would provide some evidence, even one little shard for this theory, but then it would have been great if the original poster had done the same.

Which he hasn't, and which you haven't. Look, all it takes is a little work. Which I have done, and which you haven't. So failing any "facts" to the contrary, I'll stick with my assertion.

The original theory is "wishful thinking", sometimes also known as "a pile of crap." So is your apologia in lieu of facts.

Here's a cute one (and by the way, it was a national poll, so be prepared to tell me how "the nation" is different from "the rest of the country"):

Polls about American's top priorities are also revealing. Last January, the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press surveyed Americans... While Boomers were most concerned with fixing Social Security, Gen X preferred an increase in social spending, starting with education, and then crime, the environment, and helping families with children.

http://www.horizonmag.com/9/grecian.htm

So the "hard turn to the right" is that "Gen X-ers preferred an increase in social spending.

That is an interesting "hard turn to the right", no?

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Subject: Re: The Brave New Right Date: 12/18/2001 11:30 AM
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WTF???????????????????

Lurker Mom isn't on my favorite fools list yet???????????????

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Are now.

Theo

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Subject: Re: The Brave New Right Date: 12/18/2001 2:03 PM
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Not seeing the original post but just reading the replies, I would have to say that the off cycle 2001 elections clearly don't indicate this trend. 2001 was a DNC landslide across the nation. With Armey, Graham, Helms, and Thurmond packing it up - the controversial appointment of Marc Racicot, a professional lobbiest to head the GOP, and DeLay not receiving any nods to replace Armey, I would say that there is trouble in the right-wing paradise. Of course I'm indicating facts here - something largely ignored in PA...

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Subject: Re: The Brave New Right Date: 12/18/2001 3:56 PM
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"Of course I'm indicating facts here - something largely ignored in PA..."

Facts? Like you refering to Marc Racicot as a "professional lobbiest" and not the former Governor of Montana. You would probably take offense to someone stating that the democrats appointed professional drunk driver and secretary killer to be the chairman of the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions-oh wait they did. How about former democrat KKKlansman head of appropriations-oh wait that's also true.

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Author: LurkerMom Big funky green star, 20000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 100483 of 1977318
Subject: Re: The Brave New Right Date: 12/20/2001 1:23 AM
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WTF???????????????????

Lurker Mom isn't on my favorite fools list yet???????????????

<Click>

Are now.

Theo


And likewise Theo....

Actually I've long been a fan of yours and should have fav'd you a long time ago. Love how you give 'em the what for on the LOOTP Board. (yep, I sometimes lurk there)

LM

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