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Subject: Re: Renewable energy cost - California Date: 11/9/2008 2:55 PM
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The CFL replacements are horrible. Take 3-5 min to come up to full brightness..dim to start - get brigher. I've gone through replacing them all several times. They are getting better, but still don't last as long as incandescents and cost 3-5 times as much! No 'savings' cost wise - a penalty. They are 23-30W replacements.

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Ethanol has sucked up 50 billion in subsidies and has done nothing but convert one form of energy (coal, and natural gas, plus billions of gallons of water) into a poor substitute for gasoline at tremendous environmental impact (emits more CO2). it is a gigantic boondoggle that makes lots o farmers, agri business and politicians happy. Nothing else. It has run up food prices world wide, including eggs and poultry.


"How can we do conservation better faster?"

Stimulate research to provide cost effective solutions with immediate benefits. Don't throw money down ethanol ratholes.

t.


Scheesch T, that's pretty much what I said, but you get the rec anyway.

Paul seems to have got religion and is doing some preaching but might want to step back and look a bit closer.

More research before selling the goods would probably have been a good investment, especially with the ethanol boondoggle.

Unfortunately throwing the massive subsidies at those things makes everyone a bit more careful/cynical when the real thing finally makes it here.

JMNSHO

Tim
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