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Subject: The difference Date: 12/13/2012 9:39 AM
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Unions: we're all in this together

Right-to-work: every man for himself


It's not hard to see which attitude owners and managers want workers to adopt... or why.
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Subject: Re: The difference Date: 12/13/2012 10:03 AM
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Unions: - everyone is the same whether or not they are good or bad workers. Everyone gets the same pay and benefits.

Right to Work: - every worker is judged by the job they do, not the job of the group.

It's easy to see why the lesser workers want the better ones to pull them up. It's hard to see why the top workers would join a group that keeps them down. It's even harder to see why they would try to be better workers if they'll protected by the Union.

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Subject: Re: The difference Date: 12/13/2012 10:05 AM
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Unions: - everyone is the same whether or not they are good or bad workers. Everyone gets the same pay and benefits.

Right to Work: - every worker is judged by the job they do, not the job of the group.


No. Those are daffynitions. Totally made up.

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Subject: Re: The difference Date: 12/13/2012 10:21 AM
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No. Those are daffynitions. Totally made up.

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Your's are from Webster's I take it? Union Lemmings are funny. They still think Unions are the same as 60 years ago when they were doing good for the workers instead of today where they are all about padding the wallets of the leadership.

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Subject: Re: The difference Date: 12/13/2012 4:37 PM
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I have managed companies with union shops for most of my career.

I can tell you from experience that from the company standpoint the cons far outweigh pros regarding union workers, contracts, etc.

For example, 3 years ago we a record setting year and were running 47 shop employees. As the economy tanked over the past 3 years so did our business, we had to let go of 29 shop employees in that stretch where we are at 18 today and barely getting by. However the union does not allow the manager of the company to choose which employees get laid off, they have a senority contract in place, so we were forced to let go of newest to oldest all the way down to 18 where we stopped. Here is the problem, of the 29 that were let go about half of them were younger and better workers who had great potential and were good employees and about 12 of the oldest who were protected are 50+ yr old who are a shell of their former selves in production and ability, and of those 12 about 7 of them can't do anything more today than they did 25 years ago they are that ordinary/simple. So the union made be get rid of my "future" my "skill", and forced me to keep the worst of the group to a certain degree. We are in a position where we need to be more productive than ever before because our volume is so low, yet our workers just don't have the ability. The Union screwed us and the future of the company!!! As long as things were humming at record levels it all blended and seemed to work out, now cut to the bone it really stands out.

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Subject: Re: The difference Date: 12/14/2012 3:19 AM
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The Union screwed us and the future of the company!!!

It's the union's fault that you're in a dying industry? There are disadvantes to living in the 19th century you know.

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Subject: Re: The difference Date: 12/14/2012 9:40 AM
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"It's the union's fault that you're in a dying industry?"

An industry that provides roughly 60% of America's energy is not a dying industry.

Out of the 47 employees we had in the shop, if the company could have chosen the best 18 to keep, we would be doing fine, lower volume/revenues, but in good shape to hold on for things to turn around.

This is what unions do, screw the company.

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