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Subject: The Myth of Ownership Date: 4/26/2002 11:57 AM
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Here's some grist for the conservatives' mill. <grin>

The Myth of Ownership reveals the Left's true colors.

The New York Times reported favorably Sunday on a bizarre new book that suggests that Americans should stop whining so much about taxes and instead be happy with the money that the government, in its benevolence, allows us to keep. According to this new book, entitled very appropriately, The Myth of Ownership, by two New York University professors, Liam Murphy and Thomas Nagel, there really is no such thing as private ownership, because nothing would be earned and no wealth would be created without government.


full article at:
http://www.nationalreview.com/moore/moore042302.asp

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Subject: Re: The Myth of Ownership Date: 4/26/2002 12:01 PM
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The New York Times reported favorably Sunday on a bizarre new book that suggests that Americans should stop whining so much about taxes and instead be happy with the money that the government, in its benevolence, allows us to keep. According to this new book, entitled very appropriately, The Myth of Ownership, by two New York University professors, Liam Murphy and Thomas Nagel, there really is no such thing as private ownership, because nothing would be earned and no wealth would be created without government.

What, the new york times supports socialism / communism. Shocking :)

Duke and Duke -

The New York Times - Socialist news party leaders deem fit to print.


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Subject: Re: The Myth of Ownership Date: 4/26/2002 12:33 PM
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I tend to agree with Milton Friedman, who once said, "Thank God we don't get all the government we pay for."


Thanks, that quote made my day. :)

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Subject: Re: The Myth of Ownership Date: 4/26/2002 3:39 PM
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Heh, heh!

You know the left is in trouble when they start believing their own propaganda.




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Subject: Re: The Myth of Ownership Date: 4/26/2002 4:21 PM
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According to this new book, entitled very appropriately, The Myth of Ownership, by two New York University professors, Liam Murphy and Thomas Nagel, there really is no such thing as private ownership, because nothing would be earned and no wealth would be created without government.



Or conversely, there really is no such thing as gov't because unless there is private, individual effort to create wealth, there would be no money with which to fund the gov't.

Unless we're talking forced labor......I think we got a word for that.


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Subject: Re: The Myth of Ownership Date: 4/26/2002 5:54 PM
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that ain't what the book or the article said. the national review is full of flapdoodle.

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Subject: Re: The Myth of Ownership Date: 4/26/2002 6:31 PM
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"no wealth would be created without government."

If government creates wealth, Cuba must be the richest nation in the world!

Or perhaps a libertarian like Milton Friedman knows a bit more than these two unknowns.

jb



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Subject: Re: The Myth of Ownership Date: 4/26/2002 8:14 PM
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"no wealth would be created without government."
Not exactly what they said. I think this is the National Review version.
--Check out amazon.com

If government creates wealth, Cuba must be the richest nation in the world!
Even if they did say that no wealth would be created without government, it would hardly follow that a lousy government would be great at creating wealth.

Or perhaps a libertarian like Milton Friedman knows a bit more than these two unknowns. I've always thought Thomas Nagel was first-rate. You're saying he's unknown to you? (See, e.g., Mortal Questions, The Possibility of Altruism, The View From Nowhere, What Does It All Mean? and many other publications.) His co-author is unknown to me, but now I'm interested!

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Subject: Re: The Myth of Ownership Date: 4/29/2002 1:24 PM
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"Or perhaps a libertarian like Milton Friedman knows a bit more than these two unknowns. I've always thought Thomas Nagel was first-rate. You're saying he's unknown to you? (See, e.g., Mortal Questions, The Possibility of Altruism, The View From Nowhere, What Does It All Mean? and many other publications.) His co-author is unknown to me, but now I'm interested!"

Okay, lets put it this way.

Friedman is a NOBEL PRIZE winning economist- probably one of the most influential and well-known economists to have ever lived. He has advised every president in the 30 years. His list of awards and recognitions is a mile long. He is extensively published. A web search of Friedman will turn up thousands of hits.

Nagel is a LAW professor at NYU. He has NO Nobel Prize (or any other significant award that I can find). He has NO training in economics. He has written six books. A web search turns up a relatively meager number of hits (more than his co-author, at least, who is very obscure). He is NOT a young man, so his relative obscurity is NOT just because he is young.

Since we are talking about economics here, I think its safe to say that Friedman is a tad more credible than this lawyer pretending to know about economics.

If I was to say Thomas is RELATIVELY unknown (to put it mildly), would you accept it?

jb



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Subject: Re: The Myth of Ownership Date: 4/29/2002 1:33 PM
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There is no such thing as a Nobel Prize in economics. While the Bank of Sweden can name their prize whatever they would like, I believe it dishonors Alfred Nobel to lump this award in the "dismal science" in with the prizes endowed by his will.

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Subject: Re: The Myth of Ownership Date: 4/29/2002 1:35 PM
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Commodore64,

Don't you know that lawyers know everything?

nmckay
the military is the most successful branch of government. that's because it IS their job to break stuff and ruin people's lives

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Subject: Re: The Myth of Ownership Date: 4/29/2002 9:43 PM
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Since we are talking about economics here, I think its safe to say that Friedman is a tad more credible than this lawyer pretending to know about economics.

This isn't economics, Economics is suppsed to be a science. This is conceptual analysis--analyzing the concept of ownership.

I don't find Friedman credible at all. I think he has some pretty strange ideas about public policy. (I'd say similar things about Albert Einstein, but I don't think that that interferes at all with his being a scientific genius.)

As for Nagel, whom I find much more interesting than Friedman, he's not a lawyer pretending to know about economics. He's on the law faculty at NYU--but he holds a joint appointment. His main area is philosophy, not law.

If I was to say Thomas is RELATIVELY unknown (to put it mildly), would you accept it?

[Thomas] Nagel is definitely relatively unknown. LOTS of people are more well-known: Albert Einstein, Paul Newman, Milton Friedman, Britney Spears, Tiger Woods.... The list goes on and on. Nagel's main area is philosophy.

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Subject: Re: The Myth of Ownership Date: 4/30/2002 1:43 PM
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I haven't read the book, but his ideas sound pretty wacky from the article. I guess that sells books to people to whom such thoughts are appealing. Hope he can sell enough to make a living without my $25, lol.

jb

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