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the polls all had Ryan as a little winner

The same polls you guys were whining about just a few days ago?

Frankly, I was switching back and forth between baseball and the debate and went to bed feeling Ryan got beaten badly

You first impression was spot on. You see when we speak candid, we human tend to tell the the truth, sometimes even subconsciously. You should know what is right or wrong as an adult, you should not need Fox news to tell you who won or lost or who was disrespectful. You should have an independent mind. Try it, its liberating.

So enjoy, but open your thoughts to what a win actually means.

A Win is not measured by Polls. A win is measured by the substance, energy, passion, " deep first hand knowledge of issues" and best of all the substantive argument to move voters.

Biden is well known for gaffs, but he is not known for telling lies.

Ryan is!

I don't consider myself a Democrat or Republican. There are somethings I'm liberal about and then there are some where I'm conservative.

Listen, Ryan had lots of memorised lines just like Romney. Biden had years of knowledge and first hand experience backing up his arguments. Laughing or not, he told it the way it is. Ryan was wiped out, whining about his laughing or whatnot does not help you, sorry.
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