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Author: Urban123 Big red star, 1000 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: of 9085  
Subject: The purgatory thing Date: 2/10/2002 1:00 AM
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Food for thought:

Heaven:
The word "heaven" appears hundreds of times in the bible. Some of these refer to the sky above as in Gen 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

"Heaven," used to refer to a place where God is found, is also used hundreds of times.

"Hell," "Lake of Fire," etc:
The word "hell" appears 35 times in the NKJV. Interestingly, it is not used even once in the Book of Revelation.

"Pit," or "bottomless pit" is used in Revelation 7 times.

"Pit is used frequently throughout the NKJV Bible, sometimes to refer to an actual pit; others as a reference to "hell."

"Lake of fire," another "hell" euphemism which is unique to Revelation is used 5 times.

"Sheol" is used 33 times.

Obviously, lots of scriptural references to these two ultimate outcomes for our souls: "heaven;" and "hell" by whatever name you call it.

Purgatory:
The Bible Gateway
Search words: "purgatory" Search type: EXACT
0 results.***


Question:
Why would this be? Why would God leave out from the scriptures such a key part of our afterlife if it really is what some have in store for them enroute to heaven? Why only oblique scriptural references cited in support of the doctrine? Why not the same direct treatment as "heaven" and "hell"?

***FWIW: All searching done on the Bible Gateway's NKJV, which is online at:
http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=NKJV

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Author: jeanpaulsartre Big gold star, 5000 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 468 of 9085
Subject: Re: The purgatory thing Date: 2/10/2002 1:49 AM
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Why would this be? Why would God leave out from the scriptures such a key part of our afterlife if it really is what some have in store for them enroute to heaven? Why only oblique scriptural references cited in support of the doctrine? Why not the same direct treatment as "heaven" and "hell"?

The word "trinity" does not appear either, BTW. Nope, not "Incarnation" neither.

"It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they might be loosed from their sins" (2 Macc 12:46)

There are dozens of scriptural referents to purification, and many invocations to pray for the souls of the deceased. Would the souls require it if they simply jump straight from earthly life to eternal bliss?

The book says that nothing impure achieves heaven. ("Nothing unclean shall enter heaven"--Rev. 21:27) How does a soul go from impure and earthly to pure and worthy of closeness to God? There must be, if the claims are spot on, some kind of purgation. It has been the belief of Christianity since the very first and earlies Christians, who gathered to pray for the deceased. The belief in expiation, as it preceeds the birth of Christ, even preceeds the establishment of the Church itself.

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Author: joeybags Three stars, 500 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 469 of 9085
Subject: Re: The purgatory thing Date: 2/10/2002 7:46 AM
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Very nice jps!

Heres a post I did on purgatory form the CF board a while back:

2 Machabees 12:41 Then they all blessed the just judgment of the Lord, who had discovered the things that were hidden.

42 And so betaking themselves to prayers, they besought him, that the sin which had been committed might be forgotten. But the most valiant Judas exhorted the people to keep themselves from sin, forasmuch as they saw before their eyes what had happened, because of the sins of those that were slain.

43 And making a gathering, he twelve thousand drachms of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection,

44 (For if he had not hoped that the that were slain should rise again, it would have seemed superfluous and vain to pray for the dead,)

45 And because he considered that the who had fallen asleep with godliness, had great grace laid up for them.

46 It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.
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1 Cor. 3:13 Every man's work shall be manifest; for the day of the Lord shall declare it, because it shall be revealed in fire; and the fire shall try every man's work, of what sort it is.

14 If any man's work abide, which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15 If any man's work burn, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire.

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Matt: 5:25 Be at agreement with thy adversary betimes, whilst thou art in the way with him: lest perhaps the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

26 Amen I say to thee, thou shalt not go out from thence till thou repay the last farthing.

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Mat. 12:32 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come.

FOOT NOTE:Ver. 32. Nor in the world to come. From these words St. Augustine and St. Gregory gather, that some sins may be remitted in the world to come; and, consequently, that there is a purgatory or a middle place.

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