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Author: Caesium Big red star, 1000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: of 1660  
Subject: Re: Islam Date: 3/6/2002 1:15 AM
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To suggest that I am not worthy of visiting Mecca because I am not Muslim is nothing less than discrimination.

This is where we hit the clash of cultures.
In the "western" World this is straighforward and undeniable discrimination. To a Muslim's eyes it is justifiable "protection" and both sides are worthy of their view within their own cultures.
What irks me is that American or Western based Muslims would sue the relevant authorities for the same type of discrimination if was practiced in the Country they currently reside in the West.
It is my humble opinion that you cannot have it both ways. Either the discrimination is "justifiable" in which case do not demand integration backed up by civil and legal rights related to freedom of worship in predominantly Christian countries in the West and then deny your new found neighbours and fellow citizens freedom of worship or even travel based upon Muslim sensibilities in other Muslim countries.
I am not I hasten to add suggesting we in the West should become less tolerant, multi-cultural and multi-religious socities are our only way forward, but that Muslims MUST become more tolerant if they want us to avoid conflict and promote greater understanding.
If it is not justifiable and the fundamental freedoms being enshrined in the Western World cannot then be said not be applicable in Muslim countries for whatever reason.
Either something is right or is wrong, it does not matter which country it is in.
Therefore I will for the first time take exception to exwa's views justifying Mecca or Medina being closed to non-Muslims. If by some strange quirk of circumstances a fundamentalist Christian group took legal control via elections of the area she lives in and proposed by some other strnge quirk of historical circumstances that this area has some wierd religious significance to this particular group of Christians and as a result they banned all Muslims and other non Christians from going out on a Sunday or they have to move away she would be well within her rights to take them all the way to the Supreme Court to defend her legal rights.
Yet she will deny us the opportunity to do the same when it comes to Muslim religious sites.
Strange views and understanding of the word tolerance.

Caesium
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