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In Tuesday's Republican presidential primary debate, Fox News moderator Brit Hume — who appears to have been watching too much “24? himself — raised what he described as “a fictional but we think plausible scenario involving terrorism and the response to it.” He then laid out the kind of “ticking-bomb” scenario on which virtually every episode of “24? is premised — precisely the kind that most intelligence experts consider fictional and entirely implausible.

Imagine, Hume told the candidates, that hundreds of Americans have been killed in three major suicide bombings and “a fourth attack has been averted when the attackers were captured … and taken to Guantanamo…. U.S. intelligence believes that another, larger attack is planned…. How aggressively would you interrogate” the captured suspects?
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..funny, that the party that that neglected the known warnings of 9-11, and parlayed that event into the worst foreign policy in the United States history, has the balls to use these failures to scare the electorate into voting for their leadership..

..I was there on 9-11...I watched (with video camera in hand) as the first plane flew directly over my head..I felt the heat from the first fireball as I stood a block and a half from the world trade center..

..I collected my young children from their schools, one within feet of a jet engine that fell to earth, only to bring them home, and turn on the news, to see giuliani walking out of the neighborhood, past the address where my family was held up..

..giuliani looked scared...hell, we all were....but he was 20 blocks north of where I was with my family..

..then the electricity was cut..

..watching giuliani the other night made me ill..his third wife in tow..

..that's no leader..

..huibs..
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..giuliani looked scared...hell, we all were....but he was 20 blocks north of where I was with my family..

I don't get all the 9/11 Rudy worship. What'd he do that was so remarkable? Not cry?

But then, I was living in Israel at the time and the political leaders there are all pretty tough.
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Tancredo's right about one thing though. If we embrace the use of torture, we won't need to worry that extremist Islamic terrorists might destroy Western civilization.

We'll have killed it off ourselves.


Bill Z
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Imagine, Hume told the candidates, that hundreds of Americans have been killed in three major suicide bombings and “a fourth attack has been averted when the attackers were captured … and taken to Guantanamo…. U.S. intelligence believes that another, larger attack is planned…. How aggressively would you interrogate” the captured suspects?
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What a dumb question. Essentially, it's "... so my question is, what length and diameter hose would you beat them with, and would you embed nails in it?"
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Essentially, it's "... so my question is, what length and diameter hose would you beat them with, and would you embed nails in it?"

No it isn't. You're enjoying the fruits of your side's obfuscation of the term torture. Thanks to the howling, we've got Gitmo detainees screaming torture in the BBC...What are they screaming about, you ask? Basketballs that don't bounce.
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"I don't get all the 9/11 Rudy worship. What'd he do that was so remarkable? Not cry?"


Tao,

I think to many people he appeared as a worker, a beacon of hope amidst the rubble. He was restless in his efforts to bring calm and directed the rescue effort pell mell.

I sincerely like the guy, and some of his ideas and honesty, however do not support his candidacy. Not that running one of the worlds largest cities isn't good experience, I sense that a larger democracy requires an individual with national experience and seasoned knowledge of how Washington works.

To some it was appealing that a governor of a populous state whose career existed outside the beltway, could bring about a cohesiveness across the aisles and unite the taxpayer funded effort. Perhaps Guiliani meets this criteria of being "outside" but I don't think that is a viable consideration anymore. Neither Governors Clinton or Bush have been able to bridge the gap. Of course some of that gap is artificially widened by media. Division sells copy. Why bother showing unhyphenated Americans with African ancestry rescuiing truck driver Reginald Denny?



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No it isn't. You're enjoying the fruits of your side's obfuscation of the term torture. Thanks to the howling, we've got Gitmo detainees screaming torture in the BBC...What are they screaming about, you ask? Basketballs that don't bounce.

Hume didn't ask about basketballs. He asked about level of interrogation techniques. He didn't ask "where would you draw the line?" He asked "how vigorously."

And what would be the range of answers possible? Which one is going to say "we'll have tea together"?

He's looking for tough talk. It was a viagra question.
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Hume didn't ask about basketballs. He asked about level of interrogation techniques. He didn't ask "where would you draw the line?" He asked "how vigorously."


The French were known for their torture in the 50's and 60's

We, in WW2 ..... did what was required.


We place our own criminals in substandard, over crowded, violent run down prisons without consideration for violent / non violent, age, crime, just housing them in mass to fend for themselves.

Torture ....

Chicken L'Orange anyone?

Bears
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