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Author: flubby22 Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: of 76418  
Subject: Transferring $ to a new fund Date: 11/7/1999 2:17 PM
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OK, I'm a newcomer and have done my Fool homework by reading the lessons on mutual funds. Tired of paying 1.5 percent for a managed fund. Want to switch to an index fund that charges more like .20 percent. The fund my spouse and I have is for ongoing mortgage payments (so we need to tap it regularly) and for our old(er) age. Time to wise up, but we have questions:

Will Jan. be a good time to switch to another fund? (Have read you should avoid investing in mutuals at the end of the yr.)

Should we put all our $ into one index fund? Is there enough diversification there?

By what process will we make the switch? Will our present mgr. sell off everything so we'll put cash into the new fund? Will the tax liability be only on capital gains then?

How can we roll over funds to avoid or minimize taxes?

What else should we know about this process and when and how to do it?? Can you suggest good sources of info. in the Motley Fool pages or elsewhere? Thanks for any input or suggestions!

Wising Up
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Author: rjm1 Big red star, 1000 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 15191 of 76418
Subject: Re: Transferring $ to a new fund Date: 11/7/1999 6:22 PM
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OK, I'm a newcomer and have done my Fool homework by reading the lessons on mutual funds. Tired of paying 1.5
percent for a managed fund. Want to switch to an index fund that charges more like .20 percent. The fund my spouse
and I have is for ongoing mortgage payments (so we need to tap it regularly) and for our old(er) age. Time to wise up,
but we have questions:

Will Jan. be a good time to switch to another fund? (Have read you should avoid investing in mutuals at the end of the
yr.)


Yes, but I think I would invest right after the capital gain was paid. Ask the fund when they pay. Also ask how much the gain is. It may not be very much on this type of fund (another benefit of index funds).

Should we put all our $ into one index fund? Is there enough diversification there?

One fund will give you diversification but I would think in terms of several.

By what process will we make the switch? Will our present mgr. sell off everything so we'll put cash into the new fund?
Will the tax liability be only on capital gains then?

How can we roll over funds to avoid or minimize taxes?

You have to sell inorder to move into another fund. The tax will be capital gains if you owned the shares over 12 months. May want to sell before your funds gives out its gains. If you do I think I would turn right arround and buy the index funds. You don't want to be out of the market.


What else should we know about this process and when and how to do it?? Can you suggest good sources of info. in
the Motley Fool pages or elsewhere? Thanks for any input or suggestions!

Wising Up

The index fund is long term and should not be used for current expenses.

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Author: GrayWulff Big red star, 1000 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 15204 of 76418
Subject: Re: Transferring $ to a new fund Date: 11/8/1999 10:54 AM
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flubby22,

There are two things in your post that I'd like to comment on.

First, you say you are using this fund to pay your mortgage. It's risky to depend on an equity investment to pay current expenses. You risk having to liquidate equities in a down market, that could start a really nasty negative spiral. Of course, one investment cannot be taken in isolation; if you have adequate cash in other investments you might be able to handle two or three years of down markets.

Second, the tax penalties of selling your old mutual fund may not be as bad as your first estimates. Many managed funds have considerable turnover and consequently generate considerable capital gains every year. So, you may have been paying the taxes on your gains right along; if so, that will lower the tax bite now. Calculate the cost basis of your fund very carefully, get help if you don't understand it.


As to your questions:

Will Jan. be a good time to switch to another fund? (Have read you should avoid investing in mutuals at the end of the yr.)


With an index fund like Vanguard's VFINX this is a relatively minor issue, but you could make the switch right after the dividend record date, or right after the capital gains distribution date.

Should we put all our $ into one index fund? Is there enough diversification there?

I think one is enough, especially if it is a broad index fund like VFINX or VTSMX.

By what process will we make the switch? Will our present mgr. sell off everything so we'll put cash into the new fund? Will the tax liability be only on capital gains then?

Yes, you will have to sell the old fund to invest in the new and that will trigger a tax event. Whether it is a short term, long term, gain, or loss depends on how long you've held it. Recent re-investments of dividend and capital distributions are likely to be short term.

How can we roll over funds to avoid or minimize taxes?

Calculate your cost basis carefully, and do whatever you can to make it long term capital gains. Consider seeing a CPA, it's often money well spent.

What else should we know about this process and when and how to do it?? Can you suggest good sources of info. in the Motley Fool pages or elsewhere? Thanks for any input or suggestions!

If you want more information about INDEX FUNDS, drop by the board of the same name. You might also study a bit about bond ladders, they are a very good way to deal with current expenses and still maximize the percentage of your portfolio that is invested in equities. Drop by the BOND & FIXED INCOME INVESTMENTS board for more on bond ladders.

Cheers,
GW

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Author: flubby22 Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 15216 of 76418
Subject: Re: Transferring $ to a new fund Date: 11/8/1999 7:09 PM
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rjm1 and Gray Wulff--thanks so much for your replies! We'll make an appt. w/ our CPA.

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