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Author: seeclamp Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: of 76421  
Subject: Variable Annuity Date: 1/7/2004 1:37 PM
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I have a variable annuity with Van Guard. I would
like to withdraw money from it and contribute to
my wife's IRA and mine also. I am 51. Can I do
this without a tax or penalty.
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Author: buzman Big red star, 1000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 38402 of 76421
Subject: Re: Variable Annuity Date: 1/7/2004 1:47 PM
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Generally distributions from VAs are taxed as OI plus there are penalties for withdrawals before age 59 1/2 in addition there may be surrender penalties.

However Vanguard may be able to place a portion of the VA inside an IRA. The knee-jerk reaction is don't place a VA inside an IRA.

However, a no-load VA with low fees and a short surrender period may be a viable option for you.

Check with Vanguard.

buzman

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Subject: Re: Variable Annuity Date: 1/7/2004 9:19 PM
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I have a variable annuity with Van Guard. I would
like to withdraw money from it and contribute to
my wife's IRA and mine also.


I assume that the VA at Vanguard is an unqualified annuity (not in any retirement account). In that case, if you withdraw everything from the VA, everything in excess of the premiums will be taxed at ordinary income tax rates and, since you are not yet 59.5 years old, 10% federal penalty (plus any state income tax and penalty). If you don't withdraw everything, the ordering rules are such that the first monies out are earnings.

If I recall correctly, Vanguard doesn't have any surrender charges.

Generally, you would be better off finding new monies to fund the IRAs.

The the VA is in a qualified account like a 401(k), 403(b), Traditional IRA, Roth IRA, or the like, then you have to follow the rules of that type of account. Usually, though, the Vanguard representatives will advise against placing a VA inside any tax-favored account.

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