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Author: Zafkiel Two stars, 250 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: of 571  
Subject: Re: Predestination Date: 10/5/2001 6:31 PM
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Via Bonhoeffer

God = Good.
Against God = Bad.

Humans have the choice (given us by God) to "choose God" or to "go against God."

God is not directly responsible for the bad things we do; He simply gave us a choice and we often choose to go against Him. Thus we are responsible for the "Bad."

When we "choose God," we are choosing "good." Since God defines and thus is the source of "goodness," He deserves credit for the "good."


Hang on. Foul. Illegal use of words without meaning.

You've defined the problem in to shadows not actually answered or solved it. It's all very nice to say that God=Good, if for whatever reason you choose to make that definition then you have to stop using either God or Good in their traditions meanings.

Upon seeing that statement I know I can use God to mean: 'Competent, skillful' (i.e. 'I'm a pretty God brewer.', 'He's a God Doctor', etc.) That is fine and all but the new definition God says nothing about supernatural creator deities.

In the same sentence you've arbitrarily decided that Against God means bad. (i.e. 'He was an against god boy, he needs to be punished', 'Being shot in the lung is against god'). Again that is fine but you've drained the meaning we normally associate with god from the term. You've turned the term into a value judgment about events.

For the purposes of discussion God can mean either a supernatural creator or good not both. To do otherwise is to hide the real meaning of what you are trying to say. In traditional English good may be used as part of description of God, but they are not synonymous.

It sounds to me you are trying to say that god's nature is good, and you define god's nature to be anything good. a=a doesn't really say much but you hide that simple equation behind words used in strange ways so that no one notices that you aren't saying anything.

--Zafkiel
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