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Subject: Re: Terri Schiavo: Myth Fact Christian Perspecti Date: 3/22/2005 8:36 PM
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VyckieB: "Terri Schiavo Controversy - Facts, Myths and Christian Perspectives

http://tinyurl.com/5dh3y

From the website:

Terri is able to see, hear and she is often alert and interacts with her environment. She laughs, cries and expresses voluntary and cognitive emotions with her parents including trying to verbally communicate."


The film URL would not display.

Did it give any evidence of how much film was shot and edited to produce the clip that you alluded too.

The other URL linked also stated:

"Terri's husband has been living with another woman who he has also had children with. He can not marry this other woman unless Terri dies."

Not entirely true. He could divorce the first Mr. Schiavo and remarry.

"The husband will also receive a great deal of money if Terri dies."

No evidence to support this assertion. As best I can tell, it appears to be nothing other than a bald-faced lie.

<i<"Yet while Ted Bundy has a right to counsel, the state is about to sentence a totally innocent woman to die and yet she does not even have the right to an independent lawyer."

Which ignores the three guardian ad-litems that have been appointed for Mrs. Schiavo through the years.

You might wish to review this link:

http://www.miami.edu/ethics2/schiavo/timeline.htm

KEY EVENTS IN THE CASE OF THERESA MARIE SCHIAVO

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Timeline

February 25, 1990 - Terri Schiavo suffers cardiac arrest, apparently caused by a potassium imbalance and leading to brain damage due to lack of oxygen. She was taken to the Humana Northside Hospital and was later given a percutaneous endoscopic gastrostomy (PEG) to provide nutrition and hydration.

May 12, 1990 - Terri Schiavo is discharged from the hospital and taken to the College Park skilled care and rehabilitation facility.

June 18, 1990 - Court appoints Michael Schiavo as guardian; Terri Schiavo's parents do not object.

June 30, 1990 - Terri Schiavo is transferred to Bayfront Hospital for further rehabilitation efforts. <<<SECOND REHAB HOSPITAL>>>

September 1990 - Terri Schiavo's family brings her home, but three weeks later they return her to the College Park facility because the family is “overwhelmed by Terri's care needs.”

November 1990 - Michael Schiavo takes Terri Schiavo to California for experimental “brain stimulator” treatment, an experimental “thalamic stimulator implant” in her brain. <<<THIRD REHAB HOSPITAL>>>

January 1991 - The Schiavos return to Florida; Terri Schiavo is moved to the Mediplex Rehabilitation Center in Brandon where she receives 24-hour care.

July 19, 1991 - Terri Schiavo is transferred to Sable Palms skilled care facility where she receives continuing neurological testing, and regular and aggressive speech/occupational therapy through 1994.

<<<Fourth or Fifth rehab hospital - circa 4 1/2 years of rehab.

May 1992 - Terri Schiavo's parents, Robert and Mary Schindler, and Michael Schiavo stop living together.

August 1992 - Terri Schiavo is awarded $250,000 in an out-of-court medical malpractice settlement with one of her physicians.

November 1992 - The jury in the medical malpractice trial against another of Terri's physicians awards more than one million dollars. In the end, after attorneys' fees and other expenses, Michael Schiavo received about $300,000 and about $750,000 was put in a trust fund specifically for Terri Schiavo's medical care.

<<<How much of the 750k do you think is left after anotehr 12+ years of paying for her care?>>>

February 14, 1993 - Michael Schiavo and the Schindlers have a falling-out over the course of therapy for Terri Schiavo; Michael Schiavo claims that the Schindlers demand that he share the malpractice money with them.

July 29, 1993 - Schindlers attempt to remove Michael Schiavo as Terri Schiavo's guardian; the court later dismisses the suit.

March 1, 1994 - First guardian ad litem, John H. Pecarek, submits his report. He states that Michael Schiavo has acted appropriately and attentively toward Terri Schiavo.

May 1998 - Michael Schiavo petitions the court to authorize the removal of Terri Schiavo's PEG tube; the Schindlers oppose, saying that Terri would want to remain alive. The court appoints Richard Pearse, Esq., to serve as the second guardian ad litem for Terri Schiavo.

<<< THIS IS NOW 8 YEARS LATER, and after 4 1/2 years of therapy at multiple hospitals have failed>>>

December 20, 1998 - The second guardian ad litem, Richard Pearse, Esq., issues his report in which he concluding that Terri Schiavo is in a persistent vegetative state with no chance of improvement and that Michael Schiavo's decision-making may be influenced by the potential to inherit the remainder of Terri Schiavo's estate.

February 11, 2000 - Judge Greer rules that Terri Schiavo would have chosen to have the PEG tube removed, and therefore he orders it removed, which, according to doctors, will cause her death in approximately 7 to 14 days.

<<<OVER FIVE YEARS AGO; HOW MANY BITES AT THE APPLE DO THE SCHINDLERS REQUIRE BEFORE YOU WILL AGREE THAT THE PROCESS HAS BEEN TRUE?>>>

January 24, 2001 - Florida's Second District Court of Appeal (2nd DCA) upholds Judge Greer's ruling that permits the removal of Terri Schiavo's PEG tube.

<<<THE SECOND COURT THAT HAS RULED>>>

April 12, 2001 - The Schindlers petition the Florida Supreme Court to stay the removal of Terri Schiavo's PEG tube.

April 18, 2001 - The Florida Supreme Court chooses not to review the decision of the 2nd DCA.

<<<THIRD COURT>>>

April 20, 2001 - Federal District Court Judge Richard Lazzara grants the Schindlers a stay until April 23, 2001, to exhaust all their possible appeals.

<<<FOURTH COURT - STAY ONLY>>>

April 23, 2001 - Justice Anthony M. Kennedy of the United States Supreme Court refuses to stay the case for a review by that Court.

<<<FIFTH COURT, ANOTHER LOSS FOR THE SCHINDLERS>>>

October 17, 2001 - The 2nd DCA rules that 5 doctors should examine Terri Schiavo to determine if she can improve with new medical treatment. The Schindlers and Michael Schiavo are to choose 2 doctors each, and the court is to appoint a doctor. The appeals court also affirms Greer's denial of the motion to disqualify himself.

<<<ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR EVEN MORE MEDICAL REVIEW>>>

December 19, 2001 - Attorneys meet with a mediator to determine which tests doctors should run on Terri Schiavo.


October 12-22, 2002 - The trial court holds a new hearing on new potential medical treatments.

November 15, 2002 - The Schindlers contend that Michael Schiavo might have abused Terri Schiavo and this abuse led to her condition. They ask the court for more time to collect evidence, and to remove Michael Schiavo as guardian.

<<<12+ YEARS LATER, they appear to slander their son-in-law>>>


June 6, 2003 - The 2nd DCA, affirming Judge Greer's November 2002 ruling, concludes that Michael Schiavo can remove Terri Schiavo's PEG tube on October 15.

August 22, 2003 - The Florida Supreme Court declines to review the decision.

<<<CONTINUED 0-FER ON ANYTHING OTHER THAN STAYS>>>

August 30, 2003 - Terri Schiavo's parents file a federal lawsuit challenging the removal of Terri Schiavo's PEG tube.

October 7, 2003 - Governor Jeb Bush files a federal court brief in support of the Schindlers' effort to stop the removal of the PEG tube.

<<<NOW THE POLITICANS ARE STARTING TO GET INTO THE ACT>>>

October 10, 2003 - Federal Court Judge Richard Lazzara rules that he lacks the jurisdiction to hear the federal case.

<<<HOW MANY COURTS WAS THAT? ANOTHER LOSS.>>>

October 20, 2003 - The Florida House of Representatives passes a bill, “Terri's Law,” that allows the governor to issue a “one-time stay in certain cases.”

October 21, 2003 - The Florida Senate passes the bill; Governor Bush issues an executive order directing reinsertion of the PEG tube and appointing a guardian ad litem for Terri Schiavo.

<<<SPECIAL LAW NUMBER 1, buys time but loses again; NOTE THAT THE THIRD GUARDIAN AD LITEM HAS NOW BEEN APPOINTED>>>

October 22 2003 - David Demeres, Chief Judge for the Pinellas County Circuit Court, orders both the Schindlers and Michael Schiavo to agree within 5 days on an independent guardian ad litem as required under the Governor's order. (“Terri's Law” directs: “Upon issuance of the stay, the chief judge of the circuit court shall appoint a guardian ad litem for the patient to make recommendations to the Governor and the court.”)


October 31, 2003 - Judge Demers appoints Dr. Jay Wolfson as Terri Schiavo's guardian ad litem. Dr. Wolfson holds both medical and legal degrees; he is also a public health professor at the University of South Florida. He is supposed to represent Terri Schiavo's best interest in court, but he has no authority to make decisions for her.

<<<THIRD GUARDIAN AD LITEM IS BOTH JD AND MD!!!>>>


December 1, 2003 - [Dr.] Jay Wolfson, guardian ad litem, concludes in his report that Terri Schiavo is in a persistent vegetative state with no chance of improvement."

May 6, 2004 - Pinellas Circuit Judge W. Douglas Baird rules that "Terri's Law," sought and signed by Gov. Bush and approved by the Legislature on October 21, 2003, is unconstitutional. The governor appeals the ruling.

June 1, 2004 - The 2nd DCA grants a motion from attorneys for Michael Schiavo to send the case directly to the Florida Supreme Court and bypass a lower-court review.

August 31, 2004 - Circuit Judge George Greer, opposed for re-election by an attorney who was known to oppose Greer's rulings in the Schiavo case, is re-elected by a large margin.

September 23, 2004 - Florida's Supreme Court, unanimously affirming the trial court order, declares "Terri's Law" unconstitutional.

January 24, 2005 - The United States Supreme Court refused to grant review of the case in which the Florida Supreme Court struck down “Terri's Law” as unconstitutional.

March 18, 2005 - The U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Government Reform issues five subpoenas: one commanding Michael Schiavo to appear before it and bring with him the “hydration and nutrition equipment” in working order; three commanding physicians and other personnel at the hospice to do the same; and one commanding Terri Schiavo to appear before it. The subpoenas would require that the PEG tube remain in working order until at least the date of testimony, March 25, 2005.

<<<MORE POLITICAL GRANDSTANDING>>>

March 19-20, 2005 - The U.S. Senate delays going its Easter recess and works on Saturday to reach a compromise with the House on a bill, S.686, closely resembling the special bill it passed on March 17. On Palm Sunday (which holiday is frequently noted in debate), it then passes S.686 and the U.S. House of Representatives returns from Easter recess for a special session to debate S.686.

March 21, 2005

Shortly past 12:30 a.m., the U.S. House of Representatives votes 203-58 to suspend its rules and pass S.686.

President Bush signs S.686 at 1:11 a.m.

Federal District Court Judge James D. Whittemore, Middle District of Florida (in Tampa), hears arguments on the Schindlers' motion that he order re-insertion of the PEG tube while the lawsuit they will assert pursuant to S.686 is litigated.

March 22, 2005 - Federal District Court Judge Whittemore refuses to order re-insertion of the PEG tube.

<<<AND THE SCHINDLERS LOSE BADLY>>>

Court order at http://www.miami.edu/ethics2/schiavo/032205-%20fed%20ct%20order.pdf

Count I - "These contentions are without merit."

Count II - "Plaintiffs' conclusory allegation . . . is without merit. . . . The records belies this contention."

Count III - [Claim is] "also without merit.

COunts IV and V - "Claims fail because Mr. Schiavo and the hospice are not state actors." No state action.

Mrs. Schiavo has had more process than virtually all other persons. Four+ years of therapy, at several different hospitals, all of which failed. Litigation in at least 6 different courts. Three guardian ad litems - first guardian ad litem reports that Michael Schiavo has acted appropriately and attentively toward Terri Schiavo; second guardian ad litem reports that Terri Schiavo is in a persistent vegetative state with no chance of improvement; thrid guardian ad litem, WHO IS BOTH A JD AND MD, reports that Terri Schiavo is in a persistent vegetative state with no chance of improvement.

It seems to me that those who agree with the Schindlers could never be convinved otherwise, regardless of the depth and breadth of the evidence. So I ask you, what evidence or what process could convince you that Mr. Schiavo is correct?

Curiously, JAFO








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