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Subject: Re: Saul/Paul, & the invention of Christianity Date: 11/15/2006 11:51 AM
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Well I think christianity has split into many different denominations with different view. I talked to a guy not too long ago that told me that whether I go to heaven or hell is predetermined at birth, and that it's that predetermination that influences my actions and makes me a good or a bad person.
That to me is nothing like what I read in the bible, but a large chunk of people believe it nonetheless.


This is the TULIP doctrine, which is the foundation of Calvinism.
Total Depravity
Unconditional Election
Limited Atonement
Irresistable grace
Perseverance of the saints

It's what you get when you take original sin to the extreme and remove free will from the equation.

This is a good place to start.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Depravity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_points_of_Calvinism

Atonement though is a big part of christianity (judaism too i think) so you can make up for your sins..at least in catholicsm.

Atonement (actions you take to ameliorate your sin) is the outside manifestation of repentence. Repentence is still the key to attaining forgiveness. If you are sincerely repentent, then you atone.
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