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Subject: What did the left think was going to happen? Date: 10/4/2012 12:24 PM
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I think the left expected Obama to clean Mitt's clock, by basically repeating all the attack ads. And Obama tried some of that, but it fell flat because Romney called him on his lies. Obama can't hide on the stage, and he doesn't have surrogates to lie for him or an adoring media to cover up for him. Put Obama on the spot, and it's not a pretty picture.

How did the left think that 90 minutes of an opponent challenging you each time you try to lie, as well as attacking your failures and detailing your follies, was going to end well? Obama can't defend his record, or his ideas, and any attack he ever tries to mount on Romney's business experience is going to blow up in his face.

Now, I'm sure that Obama will assemble his defecation for the next debate and will come out with more lines of attack. So Romney had better be ready. Unfortunately for Obama, he will be.
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Subject: Re: What did the left think was going to happen? Date: 10/4/2012 12:26 PM
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Now, I'm sure that Obama will assemble his defecation for the next debate and will come out with more lines of attack. So Romney had better be ready. Unfortunately for Obama, he will be.

Hell, I may even tune in for the second debate to watch the fun. Romney didn't get to where he is by being unprepared.

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Subject: Re: What did the left think was going to happen? Date: 10/4/2012 12:30 PM
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I guess the Left is sort of like ObamaOne himself, totally lacking in any brains or common sense. Heck, I doubt ObamaOne even cares if he's re-elected, because he still will get to live like a God and King for the rest of his life, mostly on taxpayers money.

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Subject: Re: What did the left think was going to happen? Date: 10/4/2012 12:34 PM
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I think this succinct analysis of the debate is dead on.

1. Romney controlled the format: For better or worse, moderator Jim Lehrer largely let the candidates sort out the debate themselves, essentially broaching broad topics and letting the candidates duke it out on their own terms — with almost-endless rebuttals. This format favored Romney. Romney’s campaign went into the debate with an attack mindset (as most candidates who are behind do), and by allowing all those rebuttals, Lehrer gave Romney a chance to execute. He did. Obama wasn’t as focused on attacking, which works less well when there is so much back-and-forth.


2. Obama seemed frazzled: He didn’t have an Al-Gore-sighs moment, but Obama was clearly not having a good time on stage. His head was down when Romney was talking, his responses were halting at times, he often nodded (as if showing approval) or smirked when Romney was talking, and he even conceded some points to Romney on issues like deficit reduction and not being a “perfect” president. None of these were by themselves huge moments (as Gore’s sigh was), but the totality suggested a candidate who wasn’t terribly comfortable. And he wasn’t.

3. The politics of preemption: Romney knew going into the debate that he was going to be attacked for raising taxes on the middle class (according to an oft-cited study) and favoring the wealthy, so what he did was preemptively assure that he would not raise taxes on the middle class, repeating that over and over again and suggesting that it’s Obama who would raise taxes on the middle class. He also made a point to emphasize the poor (think: “I’m not concerned about the very poor“). By setting the terms of the tax cut debate, Romney offset the gains that Obama might have been able to make on a class issue that polls suggest the president is winning.

4. Obama didn’t get his big talking points in: If you would have told us before the debate that Obama would mention the auto bailout and Osama bin Laden only once and wouldn’t mention Bain Capital or Romney’s “47 percent” comments at all, we would have told you you were crazy. Yet that’s exactly what happened. Obama seemed predisposed with not engaging too much with Romney, but the debate was all about engaging with one another, and Obama didn’t even register the biggest hits on Romney.

5. The expectations were low: There’s a reason the campaigns spend so much time lowering expectations for the debate; expectations matter. And polls showed that, going into the debate, the American public, by a large margin, expected Obama to win. With the bar relatively low for Romney, it was that much easier to clear. That’s not to say Romney didn’t have a good debate. He did. But candidates will always be graded on a curve, and Romney beat the curve.

6. Romney avoided a stumble: Romney’s campaign has been colored by the occasional gaffe which shows the candidate to be out of touch or just plain awkward. There were a couple iffy moments on that count (Big Bird, anyone?), but the GOP nominee’s performance was largely gaffe-free. Without a “47 percent” or “I’m not concerned about the very poor” moment, Romney allowed for the post-debate analysis to focus on other things, which is what he needs.

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Subject: Re: What did the left think was going to happen? Date: 10/4/2012 1:05 PM
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Now, I'm sure that Obama will assemble his defecation for the next debate and will come out with more lines of attack. So Romney had better be ready. Unfortunately for Obama, he will be.

Hell, I may even tune in for the second debate to watch the fun. Romney didn't get to where he is by being unprepared.

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What might truly make it worth watching is not that Romney did not get to where is is by being unprepared, but that Obama has made it to where he is while being unprepared.

The possibilities are endless.

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Subject: Re: What did the left think was going to happen? Date: 10/4/2012 1:46 PM
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I think the left expected Obama to clean Mitt's clock, by basically repeating all the attack ads. And Obama tried some of that, but it fell flat because Romney called him on his lies. Obama can't hide on the stage, and he doesn't have surrogates to lie for him or an adoring media to cover up for him. Put Obama on the spot, and it's not a pretty picture.

How did the left think that 90 minutes of an opponent challenging you each time you try to lie, as well as attacking your failures and detailing your follies, was going to end well? Obama can't defend his record, or his ideas, and any attack he ever tries to mount on Romney's business experience is going to blow up in his face.

Now, I'm sure that Obama will assemble his defecation for the next debate and will come out with more lines of attack. So Romney had better be ready. Unfortunately for Obama, he will be.


Obama is like a PA left winger: he truly believes his opponents are stupid. You can't really blame him; he's been coddled and protected his entire political career and has never really faced a single serious challenge. Until now.

Last night shows you what happens when you rely on elements to protect you:

1. A teleprompter
2. Friendly media to spin your gaffes
3. Less than serious competition
4. Never having your ideas challenged
5. A debate moderator willing to bail you out

Last night Obama clearly ask Lehrer for help - and Lehrer tried - but Mitt wasn't having any of it. I'm so proud of Mitt for that. In a way it was miles better than what Newt Gingrich could have done last night.

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Subject: Re: What did the left think was going to happen? Date: 10/4/2012 2:13 PM
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TheDope1 wrote: Obama is like a PA left winger: he truly believes his opponents are stupid.

I can't remember where I read it, but someone said to Obama, "Man, you really slay 'em in speeches" (or something like that). Obama responded, "It's a gift I have."

Obama KNOWS he's incompetent, but he thinks his sometimes soaring oratory is all it takes to lead this country.

He found out otherwise last night.

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Subject: Re: What did the left think was going to happen? Date: 10/4/2012 2:21 PM
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Now, I'm sure that Obama will assemble his defecation for the next debate and will come out with more lines of attack.

It's too late for that. To be able to debate in this kind of forum, you have to debate in this kind of forum. Obama hasn't.

Ryan can not only read the papers; he already knows all the attack lines.

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Subject: Re: What did the left think was going to happen? Date: 10/4/2012 2:26 PM
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obama tried to give the same 'stump speech' that he has been using for the last six months.


Romney prepared to counter punch it...and knocked Obama flat..


trickle down government...heh heh...

turned the tables..on Obama..

How do you respond to 'trickle down government'?????


t.

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Subject: Re: What did the left think was going to happen? Date: 10/4/2012 2:34 PM
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How do you respond to 'trickle down government'?????

Romney went Old School with that one. "Trickle-down government" was first used IIRC by Bush41 on Bill Clinton. I liked the "economy tax", too.

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