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Author: Enilkrennad Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: of 3157  
Subject: Re: Is Life Meaningless? Date: 2/26/2001 10:09 AM
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What this seems to be boiling down to is that you do not trust your understanding of the universe; i do. It is so blatantly obvious that I exist in some form that i feel no need to try and doubt it. I absolutely know i exist, period. You do not think it is absolute. You think the definition of "I" is arbitrary. I think it is real and definite. You cannot prove that your doubt is valid. It may be based on your observations that humans in general are unable to "know" most things absolutely (and i agree that absolute truth is often elusive), but there is still nothing in human existence to indicate that we are completely incapable of knowing ANYTHING AT ALL absolutely. ONE apple added to ONE other apple ALWAYS equals TWO apples, 100% of the time. You cannot claim that adding TWO apples together could ever possibly give you ONE apple or THREE apples or any other number of apples.

I also believe that ultimate, absolute Truth exists in the person of God Himself. Thus the entire world is permeated by lesser truths that emanate from God. So absolute Truth is essential to my understanding of the universe and life. Life has meaning given to it by God. Your insistence on all definitions being arbitrary is itself arbitrary and meaningless and completely useless. It is not compatible with human experience as understood by everyone else i've ever encountered.

Let's take a closer look at "arbitrary," as this is central to your POV. The definitions that could apply to your use of the word are as follows.

1 : depending on individual discretion (as of a judge) and not fixed by law <the manner of punishment is arbitrary>
3 a : based on or determined by individual preference or convenience rather than by necessity or the intrinsic nature of something <an arbitrary standard> <take any arbitrary positive number> <arbitrary division of historical studies into watertight compartments -- A. J. Toynbee> b : existing or coming about seemingly at random or by chance or as a capricious and unreasonable act of will <when a task is not seen in a meaningful context it is experienced as being arbitrary -- Nehemiah Jordan>

3a sums up your entire view of the universe. 3b is the exact opposite of how mankind arrived at its definition of words like "matter" and "energy." Your careless application of the word "arbitrary" to every concept is hollow. You have still proven nothing.

And if life is truly meaningless, why live under a code of ethics? Why play the game? You keep saying that the meaninglessness of life makes it "fun" to play the game, but wouldn't it make more sense for everyone to end their meaningless lives as quickly as possible? Have you not observed that one of the most fundamental aspects of the human psyche is the need for meaning? People want to be significant. They want to matter. EVERYONE does. Do you claim that you have escaped this most basic of human needs? Without it, humanity would not have progressed to where we are now. Everyone WOULD have killed themselves.

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