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.... to build the Third Temple so we can manufacture the Moshiach (and igniting a global jihad against Israel) or living in peace with our neighbors. *****



http://jordantimes.com/amidst-jewish-calls-to-storm-al-aqsa-...



***** (yes, of course it's a loaded question, but nevertheless ....)



comments? Is Netanahu complicit in this?
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The article describes a threat which doesn't exist.

Nobody is trying to storm the mosque.

Israel has controlled the Temple mount for 45 years, and in all that time nothing has changed from when Jordan controlled it.
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Dov,

I don't know why you're taking the incitement of a Jordanian newspaper literally. They are deliberately confusing prayer on the temple mount with prayer in the Al Aqsa mosque. No one would presume that Jews should pray inside the mosque. They should be allowed to pray on the mount, outside the mosque. But the newspaper is making it sound like they wish to storm the mosque itself.

Another point - Israel does everything it can to restrain the right wing extremists. To blame Israel for their behavior is disingenuous.

Also note that the Jordanian newspaper refers to the "Tel Aviv authorities". They don't recognize the legitimacy of ANY Israeli presence in Jerusalem. They object to development of the Wailing Wall area, outside the temple mount proper, because Muhammad tied down his horse there. Gimme a break.

Elan
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Dov,

I don't know why you're taking the incitement of a Jordanian newspaper literally. They are deliberately confusing prayer on the temple mount with prayer in the Al Aqsa mosque. No one would presume that Jews should pray inside the mosque. They should be allowed to pray on the mount, outside the mosque. But the newspaper is making it sound like they wish to storm the mosque itself.

Another point - Israel does everything it can to restrain the right wing extremists. To blame Israel for their behavior is disingenuous.

Also note that the Jordanian newspaper refers to the "Tel Aviv authorities". They don't recognize the legitimacy of ANY Israeli presence in Jerusalem. They object to development of the Wailing Wall area, outside the temple mount proper, because Muhammad tied down his horse there. Gimme a break.

Elan



I was hoping you would respond.

First, I take the point that the Jordanian paper is conflating issues.

second, Does Israel REALLY do everything it can to restrain extremists? I am skeptical on that point.

Knowing the apocalyptic bent of some of those on the far right, especially the Third Temple folks, it would not surprise me at all if some wanted to storm right into the center of the Mosque and defile it, or worse.

As for the 'Tel Aviv authorities' reference, I caught that too. But in the absence of a signed peace agreement with the Palestinians, no Arab entity is going to recognize Jerusalem as Israels capitol.

As for Mohammeds horse, come on, are we going to argue about who's religious myths have more weight? don't get me wrong, I believe that Jerusalem should be/is the capitol of Israel, but don't insult Muslims because of their religious beliefs ... after all, there are Jews who believe that bio-engineering a red heiffer, and sacrificing it on the Temple Mount is enough to bring Mosiach.

I couldn't find reference to this in either Jpost or Haaretz ... that surprises me if activists are going up on to the mount, and Palestinians are reacting and being arrested ... where is the media
coverage?


Dov
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second, Does Israel REALLY do everything it can to restrain extremists? I am skeptical on that point.

Israel isn't restraining all the extremists all the time. For example, the wild eyed "hill youth" of the settler movement are getting too much tacit support. But the "temple mount faithful" are different. They get no support. Israel is quite vigilant not to let them provoke violence on the temple mount.

I couldn't find reference to this in either Jpost or Haaretz ... that surprises me if activists are going up on to the mount, and Palestinians are reacting and being arrested ... where is the media
coverage?


Because it didn't amount to much. Probably a bunch of zealots posing as tourists got onto the mount and began praying, and were quickly removed by Israeli police. And then equally zealous palestinians try to extend the incident by throwing stones and getting arrested. Just another day in Jerusalem, except in the eyes of those trying to incite more violence.

Elan
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As for Mohammeds horse, come on, are we going to argue about who's religious myths have more weight? don't get me wrong, I believe that Jerusalem should be/is the capitol of Israel, but don't insult Muslims because of their religious beliefs ... after all, there are Jews who believe that bio-engineering a red heiffer, and sacrificing it on the Temple Mount is enough to bring Mosiach.


The temples are historical fact.

You can call some of the stories of what happened there "religious myths" but the buildings themselves certainly existed.

The story of Mohammed coming to "the farthest place" on a flying horse better fits your discription.

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Israel isn't restraining all the extremists all the time. For example, the wild eyed "hill youth" of the settler movement are getting too much tacit support. But the "temple mount faithful" are different. They get no support. Israel is quite vigilant not to let them provoke violence on the temple mount.

http://jordantimes.com/fresh-clashes-in-jerusalem-as-al-aqsa...

AMMAN — Tensions erupted anew in Jerusalem on Thursday after Israeli security forces allowed the entry of tens of right-wing activists into Al Aqsa Mosque, the latest in a series of provocations site custodians warn are threatening to ignite a “cycle of violence”, eyewitnesses and awqaf officials said.

Clashes erupted between police and worshippers in Al Haram Al Sharif early Thursday after Israeli security forces allowed the entry of dozens of right-wing activists including a group from the Hebron settlement of Kariyat Arbiya, the latest in a series of right-wing Israeli coalitions to call for “storming” the third holiest site in Islam.

According to eyewitnesses, Israeli security forces arrested three worshippers and one awqaf employee for attempting to prevent the Israeli activists from entering Al Aqsa, raising the total number of Palestinians arrested at the holy site this week to 22.

According to the Jerusalem Awqaf Department, calm was restored to Al Haram Al Sharif shortly after the activists’ departure, as some 2,500 prayer-goers gathered in Al Aqsa plaza following noon prayers to prevent further “intrusions”.

Custodians blame the violence on Israeli security services, who escort hundreds of tour groups through the Bab Al Magharbeh gate — the largest entrance for non-Muslim visitors — into Al Aqsa each day, and, they claim, knowingly provide cover for dozens of Israeli “extremist activists” to enter the third holiest site in Islam.

“Each day Israeli forces allow the entrance of extremists whose only purpose is to escalate tensions and this is very dangerous,” said Azzam Khatib, head of the Jerusalem Awqaf Department.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/muslim-worship...

Hundreds of Muslim worshippers clashed with police on Friday at Jerusalem's Temple Mount.

Following Friday prayers, hundreds of worshippers began hurling rocks at the Mughrabi Bridge at the entrance to the Temple Mount, which prompted Israeli police forces to enter the plaza and attempt t to scatter the protest.

Israeli police said that dozens of protesters gathered inside the Al-Aqsa mosque after hurling rocks at security forces, who, in a rare move, came to the entrance of the mosque and used stun grenades to scatter the protesters.

Eleven policemen and 15 Palestinians were wounded as a result of the clashes. Four Palestinians were arrested.

In light of several violent incidents that occurred at the Temple Mount this week, police heightened their presence at the site on Friday morning.

Jerusalem District Commander Niso Shaham said that Friday saw the most serious clashes at the Temple Mount since the recent wave of protests erupted two weeks ago, when right-wing leaders called on Jews to visit the Temple Mount and cleanse the area of Muslims.
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Israel isn't restraining all the extremists all the time. For example, the wild eyed "hill youth" of the settler movement are getting too much tacit support. But the "temple mount faithful" are different. They get no support. Israel is quite vigilant not to let them provoke violence on the temple mount.

http://jordantimes.com/fresh-clashes-in-jerusalem-as-al-aqsa......

AMMAN — Tensions erupted anew in Jerusalem on Thursday after Israeli security forces allowed the entry of tens of right-wing activists into Al Aqsa Mosque, the latest in a series of provocations site custodians warn are threatening to ignite a “cycle of violence”, eyewitnesses and awqaf officials said.


I think the Jordan Times is inciting again with outright lies. No Jewish extremists entered the al aqsa mosque itself. At most they entered the broad plaza on the temple mount in front of the mosque. It doesn't seem, however, that even this happened. There were hundreds of Palestinians swarming on the temple mount, throwing rocks at the Israeli police and at the wailing wall plaza below.

All this is in response to a call by a Jewish extremist on the internet two weeks ago to attack the al aqsa mosque. Such an attack, in fact, has not taken place.

Elan
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Here is an article from two weeks ago about Feiglin's incitement of Jewish extremists, and the Israeli police response - closing the temple mount to all visitors.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4188338,00.html

Elan
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thanks ...
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