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Where does any typical American get their food or dump their trash?

Most places have a dump within several miles. Not NYC. I recall stories of rotting barges years ago because they had (temporarily) no place to send them...but that is a minor point.

There is no doubt that NYC (generally) has low gasoline and electricity usage. But it is a very special case in a number of ways that makes drawing any conclusions or projections that other places could replicate a bit suspect.

- One is its geography...people that drive there probably don't buy gas there. Unlike other places that have numerous gas stations...NYC doesn't.
- lots of wealthy people do have residences there but live and fly elsewhere
- steam utility for building heat isn't counted
- high rises (due to high real estate costs) make it easy to have stricter building codes. Just enacting better building codes in other places could provide big efficiency gains without actually being in a dense city
- the city attracts people who are young, single and maybe enjoy the big city lifestyle. (Or maybe older but want the city lifestyle) Then may move away when the have families and consume more. This is a difficult demographic to capture, IMO.
- there is a difference between using more energy "because" you live in the suburbs vs using more because you "can" and... it is cheap. Personally, I live in the suburbs but use far less energy than any of these studies show because I made it a point to do so (solar thermal heat thanks to a non-dense southern view, extra insulation, PHEV car, energy efficient appliances blah, blah). Others could do this...they just don't.

I love going into cities. I love more leaving them and going home.

Mike
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