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Subject: Why are Costa Ricans so happy? Date: 1/7/2010 10:38 AM
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Well, for one thing they're not laboring under two wars started by George W. Bush.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/07/opinion/07kristof.html

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Subject: Re: Why are Costa Ricans so happy? Date: 1/7/2010 11:23 AM
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Costa Rica is a great place? Costa Ricans are really cool people? What's the answer?

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Subject: Re: Why are Costa Ricans so happy? Date: 1/7/2010 11:48 AM
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I'm guessing that the unhappy ones immigrated illegally to the United States.



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Subject: Re: Why are Costa Ricans so happy? Date: 1/7/2010 1:02 PM
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Costa Rica is a great place? Costa Ricans are really cool people? What's the answer? - temsike
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Let's see:

#1. They aren't freezing their butts off in the winter time and they are exposed to enough Sunlight so they don't get depressed from lack of sunlight.

#2. They are surrounded by trees hanging with delicious tropical fruit.

#3. They are surrounded by crystal clear water and coral reefs that are teeming with delicious and beautiful tropical fish and seafood.

#4. Costa Rica is full of beautiful golden skinned dark haired women that love dancing and music.

#5. They have a fair and compassionate National Health Care system so people don't have to worry about where or how they are going to afford and stay insured if they get sick.

#6. Costa Rican food is healthy and flavorful.

#7. They aren't supporting a goverment and army that gets involved in other countries business.



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Subject: Re: Why are Costa Ricans so happy? Date: 1/7/2010 1:05 PM
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So the question is, why hasn't Al Queda attacked Costa Rica? Why hasn't Al Queda blown up any Costa Rican Airplanes or flown any airplanes into Costa Rican buildings?

Makes you wonder doesn't it? What are they doing or not doing that the United States is doing or has done?

Artie

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Subject: Re: Why are Costa Ricans so happy? Date: 1/7/2010 1:28 PM
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"So the question is, why hasn't Al Queda attacked Costa Rica? Why hasn't Al Queda blown up any Costa Rican Airplanes or flown any airplanes into Costa Rican buildings?"

There aren't any islamos in Costa Rica.

Costa Rica has very tough immigration laws.

They stop border runners.

Unlike the US with sieves for borders, and a 'diversity visa' program that lets in perps from everywhere around the world, to bring their malcontents to the US.... they don't have that problem.

If you want to move there, you need 'in need skills' or a bunch of money to show you can live there comfy, or start a business.


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Subject: Re: Why are Costa Ricans so happy? Date: 1/7/2010 2:11 PM
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Art says

#1. They aren't freezing their butts off in the winter time and they are exposed to enough Sunlight so they don't get depressed from lack of sunlight.

#2. They are surrounded by trees hanging with delicious tropical fruit.

#3. They are surrounded by crystal clear water and coral reefs that are teeming with delicious and beautiful tropical fish and seafood.

#4. Costa Rica is full of beautiful golden skinned dark haired women that love dancing and music.

#5. They have a fair and compassionate National Health Care system so people don't have to worry about where or how they are going to afford and stay insured if they get sick.

#6. Costa Rican food is healthy and flavorful.

#7. They aren't supporting a goverment and army that gets involved in other countries business.

All true. Plus, they are affluent enough to live well, but are not obsessed with wealth. You don't see any fancy cars there, or big showoff mansions, though they do build big houses if they have big families.

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Subject: Re: Why are Costa Ricans so happy? Date: 1/7/2010 2:38 PM
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"All true. Plus, they are affluent enough to live well, but are not obsessed with wealth. You don't see any fancy cars there, or big showoff mansions, though they do build big houses if they have big families."

If you have driven on the roads, you would know why they don't have fancy cars. Many of the roads are in hideous condition.

The main highways are decent....but there are lots of roads that will break the front end of your car with potholes.

If you park on the street in most places and leave anything inside the car....kiss it goodbye.....car burglary is a major industry. Massive.

There are lots of nice homes there......and they go up to the millions. Folks just don't flaunt their wealth since it will be stolen.

Houses have big walls all around them. With glass and barbed wire on top. The front of buildings all have burglar bars - and houses.

Break ins are rampant. If you go on vacation, hire a good house sitter or your place might be empty when you return - and hire a good one - because he/she might be the one to arrange to clean you out.

Of course, you could live in a gated community with guards.

ALmost every house has a dog or two or three. You walk down a street and every dog yaps and yaps as you go by.

Oh..and they have earthquakes..had a 4.5 or so when I was there......

Car across the street broken into.....

MOst people have to bring their cars into their 'house compound' to avoid theft of things like tires, batteries, air filters.....they all 'disappear'....

Not much 'violent' crime...but theft is way way up the list.....

But the people are relatively happy. Then again, in MS and AL, lots of the people are happy. IN east TN, lots fo people are just happy and get by fine.


t

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Subject: Re: Why are Costa Ricans so happy? Date: 1/7/2010 4:06 PM
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telegraph says

If you have driven on the roads, you would know why they don't have fancy cars. Many of the roads are in hideous condition.

The main highways are decent....but there are lots of roads that will break the front end of your car with potholes.

True in some parts of the country.


Oh..and they have earthquakes..had a 4.5 or so when I was there......

Had a 4,1 a few hours ago right here in the Bay Area. <shrug>


MOst people have to bring their cars into their 'house compound' to avoid theft of things like tires, batteries, air filters.....they all 'disappear'....

Gross exaggeration.

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Subject: Re: Why are Costa Ricans so happy? Date: 1/7/2010 4:16 PM
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telegraph says

If you have driven on the roads, you would know why they don't have fancy cars. Many of the roads are in hideous condition.

The main highways are decent....but there are lots of roads that will break the front end of your car with potholes.
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True in some parts of the country.


The roads aren't bad. If the people are happy then the roads are just what they ought to be. Tele wouldn't be happy happy but sfw?


Oh..and they have earthquakes..had a 4.5 or so when I was there......
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Had a 4,1 a few hours ago right here in the Bay Area. <shrug>


Had a 3.5 I think it was near Omaha just a few weeks ago

MOst people have to bring their cars into their 'house compound' to avoid theft of things like tires, batteries, air filters.....they all 'disappear'....

Gross exaggeration.


Exaggeration? Probably. But let's not kid ourselves. This sort of free market privateering is more characteristic of the social environment there than it is here. Better distribution of wealth would underpin curing it like it has everywhere else. Anything remaining would be just regular crime by regular criminals.

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Subject: Re: Why are Costa Ricans so happy? Date: 1/7/2010 6:44 PM
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why hasn't Al Queda attacked Costa Rica? Why hasn't Al Queda blown up any Costa Rican Airplanes or flown any airplanes into Costa Rican buildings?

It's not just about occupying other countries..it's also those drone attacks..they kill innocent civilians a lot more often than we usually hear about...here we often don't hear about it, or if we do it's a brief mention. There, the media actual tell the full story and show the bodies from the wedding party who have been torn apart limb from limb, as it continues month after month..

Even putting aside the blood of innocents on our hands, there's the 'tough' question: Are the drone attacks doing more harm than good to U.S. security?

I'm inclined to answer: no. But I'm even more confident of the answer to another question: has the above question been thoroughly discussed by politicians in the media, giving careful thorough coverage of the issue, "are these drone bombings making us safer or are they creating as many (or more) new suicide bombers from the orphans, and widows, of innocent civilians, that we create?" The media and politicians can't even pretend that the answer to that question has been vigorously discussed and debated.

As for Costa Rica, I won't take any credit away from it...but we could in addition ask more broadly also about overall Quality of Life.

So how do countries with universal non-profit health insurance rate for quality of life? Very highly. And does this come at the expense of having a country that also has affordable costs? No, in fact quite the opposite for the #1 slot:

For the fifth year running, says publisher Jackie Flynn, France has again earned the top spot as the best place in the world to live.

"In France, life is savored," says Flynn. "I don't think anyone will argue that France is one of the most beautiful countries in the world, where there is so much pride in all the small details. The French love little window boxes filled with flowers, tidy gardens, pretty sidewalk cafes, and clean streets. Cities are well tended and with little crime."

This year once again, says Flynn, all the number-crunching, rating, and ranking landed France at the top of the Index. France scores high marks across the board, from health care (100 points) to infrastructure (92 points) to its safety rating (100 points). But the main appeal of living in France, she says, is arguably its overall lifestyle. (It scores 81 points in the Culture and Leisure category.)

And despite high scores in nearly every category, France remains an affordable place to live, including for retirees on a budget. Flynn says that although Paris offers the best of everything, services don't fall away in Alsace's wine villages, in wild and lovely Corsica, and in other provinces like lavender-scented Provence or seaside Languedoc.

And in fact, she says, provincial French properties are often quite affordable and lifestyles are less expensive than Paris. "The Southwestern Midi-Pyrenees region is a particularly good hunting ground for village homes for less than $100,000 and classic three-course lunches for $14."


U.S. came in as 7th..better than in the other survey, but got beaten out by five other countries who get lambasted by the rightwingers for "social"-ist policies like universal health care, paid paternity and paternity leave in many of them, and other programs that put the public ahead of shortest term profits, countries beating the U.S. include:Australia (#2), Switzerland (#3), Germany (#4), New Zealand (#5), Luxembourg (#6).

Of these, Germany and New Zealand have lower per capita income, meaning they beat us out here in the U.S. despite having less money, so you have to wonder how much further ahead they would be without this disadvantage. If one uses purchasing power parity, the same is true for Australia and Switzerland, also attaining more for less..more quality of life for less per capita...yet these are the countries whose policies instead of being given a serious look for public policy ideas, we're told instead these are dangerous "socialist" countries and we should do the opposite...what's next, privatizing the air we breathe in the U.S.?

Using another measure http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality-of-life_index we're getting shafted by our policies here in the U.S. getting not 7th best but 13th.

On a positive note, thanks intercst for mentioning Costa Rica as something to dream about when FIRE arrives for some of us...Reminds me of a question posted on another fool.com board someone asked how many are enjoying FIREing? Someone posted a reply, "I'm enjoying thinking about the day I get to FIRE"

edlbym

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/france-is-worlds-bes...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nom...

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Subject: Re: Why are Costa Ricans so happy? Date: 1/7/2010 7:19 PM
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All true. Plus, they are affluent enough to live well, but are not obsessed with wealth. You don't see any fancy cars there, or big showoff mansions, though they do build big houses if they have big families. - crassfool
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If someone were to ask me "so Art, if you love Costa Rica so much why aren't you living there?" The answer is simple, I married a girl from Tennessee and we now live 3 miles from her geriatric parents and 2 blocks from her brother and his family, not to mention my family all live down in Georgia and I am close to them. If I lived in Costa Rica I would have to do it on my own because girls from Tennessee love living in Tennessee and love living close to their Tennessee parents. I also like to see my family from time to time and they are all within a days driving time.

I would love to spend the winters in Costa Rica. Right now it is well below freezing here and the roads are covered with ice and snow and it is supposed to get down to 12 degrees tonight. I have arthritis and I'm thinking that floating around in the warm ocean water surrounding Costa Rica might feel real good on my arthritis, not to mention eating fresh mangoes, guavas, pineapples, starfruit, kiwis, pink grapefruits, and big juicy oranges might also be very good for me. As well as catching snappers and grunts and groupers in the ocean and eating them would be pretty healthy too.

So, what's keeping me here? My beloved wife and my family in Georgia otherwise I think I would be tempted to take a chance and live in Costa Rica and see how I like it.

Arturo

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Subject: Re: Why are Costa Ricans so happy? Date: 1/8/2010 11:50 AM
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tele:
There aren't any islamos in Costa Rica. Costa Rica has very tough immigration laws. They stop border runners.

Unlike the US with sieves for borders, and a 'diversity visa' program that lets in perps from everywhere around the world, to bring their malcontents to the US.... they don't have that problem.

If you want to move there, you need 'in need skills' or a bunch of money to show you can live there comfy, or start a business.


How can Tele be so wrong on so many things? The above is pure baloney!

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Subject: Re: Why are Costa Ricans so happy? Date: 1/8/2010 12:11 PM
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temsike: "How can Tele be so wrong on so many things? The above is pure baloney! "

Temsike, why don't you actually reseaerch something first?

To come to the US, you can have zero money, zero income...and simply claim to be a 'refugee' from anywhere....or a 'political' refugee.....

You need no skills or talents....

For Costa Rica

http://www.costaricalaw.com/legalnet/residency.html

First..there is a major, SLOW , government bureaucracy to handle your 'request'. You must meed the guidelines.

"1) PENSION BASED RESIDENCY [Pensionado]. The Pensionado (Retiree) applicant must demonstrate a permanent fixed income from a pension or similar retirement income of at least US$600 per month. The typical applicant in this category has a government, private sector pension or social security retirement benefits."

"2) INVESTMENT INCOME BASED RESIDENCY [Rentista]. The Rentista applicant must demonstrate a permanent fixed income of at least US$1,000per month for a single individual. If the applicant is applying jointly with a spouse then the income demonstrated must be US$2,000 per month. Generally, those who seek the Rentista category do not have a pension source and instead have investment income. T"

got that TEMSIKE? If you are married, you need to prove $2000/month income.

SInce half the folks in FL are retired and living on 25K or less...it means you actually need more money to live in Costa Rica than FL......duh! And that is just to GET INTO THE COUNTRY!

No money...no residency....period.

Not only that, but they don't let in potential perps, those who have trained at islamo terror camps...

"Police Certificate of Good Conduct: This certification is obtained from the police department where you last resided. This certification also needs to be authenticated by a Costa Rican Consulate. Note that this certificates is only valid for 6 months from the date they are issued. If this document expires while you are pulling together the rest of the documentation then you will have to obtain another one."

"5. Interpol Background Check: This step is done in Costa Rica at the Ministry of Public Security. The applicant first fills out an application form which is addressed to the Department of Public Security and signed by the Department of Immigration. It is a request for the background check which requires finger printing in Costa Rica. The background check takes approximately one month. "


Now, temsike, how about comparing that to Janet Nepalitano...and Homeland Security..that didn't even bother to check the Nigerian perp?

"Within the application process you will be required to provide the Department of Immigration with the following information:

1. Full Name, 2. Nationality, 3. Occupation, 4. Name of your Father, 5. Name of your Mother, 6. Name of your Spouse, 7. Race, 8. Color of your Eyes, 9. Color of your hair, 10. Your height (in meters), 11. Your weight (in kilos), 12. Marital Status, 13. Place of Birth, 14. Date of Birth, 15. Original Entry Date into Costa Rica, 16. Point of Entry into Costa Rica, 17. Phsyical Address in Costa Rica, 18. Telephone number in Costa Rica. "

The Nigerian perp would not give a 'contact information' in the US.......

Or you can gain residency by being a business investor..showing you have $200K to invest

"Under the new immigration law the Investor Category requires an applicant to demonstrate to the Department of Immigration that they will be coming to Costa Rica to invest in the country a minimum of $200,000 (two hundred thousand dollars). The investment must provide an economic and social benefit to Cost Rica. The law specifically excludes personal investments such as purchase of home, lots or buildings to qualify for this category. The granting of this category is discretionary with the Department of Immigration. It requires financial statements audited by a Certified Public Accountant to document the financial investment plan proposed. "

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On the other hand, we let any Somali, Hmong.....or any 'refugee' in .....any border runner.....regardless of skills, income, money....talent.....or political terrorist persuasion...

All the 9-11 perps were residents here......

Now....the thread was about why are costa ricans so happy - It's because the mal contents, hate mongers, welfare weenies have all been kept out. It's because immigration has been limited to those who can take care of themselves......

And is well controlled....

unlike the US....

t.

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Subject: Re: Why are Costa Ricans so happy? Date: 1/8/2010 6:35 PM
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How can Tele be so wrong on so many things? The above is pure baloney! - temsike
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LOL! Don't you know? He makes it up as he goes along. Tele lives in his own little universe that exists inside his own mind. The Tele that we all know and love exists completely independently from the universe around him.

He has been successful all on his own efforts, and that little voice inside his head exists completely independently of his DNA, or his brain biochemistry, and is not influenced at all by the genes he inherited from his parents, or any environmental influences, or things someone might have said to him when he was a toddler. Tele doesn't attribute anything that has happened to him in life to "luck" but instead honestly believes that he has complete free will to control his life.

And God forbid the Universe that Tele has created for himself won't ever come collapsing in on him if something awful from this universe should intrude in on the Universe he has created for himself.


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Subject: Re: Why are Costa Ricans so happy? Date: 1/8/2010 7:21 PM
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LOL! Don't you know? He makes it up as he goes along. Tele lives in his own little universe that exists inside his own mind. The Tele that we all know and love exists completely independently from the universe around him.

He has been successful all on his own efforts, and that little voice inside his head exists completely independently of his DNA, or his brain biochemistry, and is not influenced at all by the genes he inherited from his parents, or any environmental influences, or things someone might have said to him when he was a toddler. Tele doesn't attribute anything that has happened to him in life to "luck" but instead honestly believes that he has complete free will to control his life.

And God forbid the Universe that Tele has created for himself won't ever come collapsing in on him if something awful from this universe should intrude in on the Universe he has created for himself.


Artie

LOLROTF! This is the funniest thing I've read lately, and seems very true. You should state a spew alert before starting.

Count Uptpten

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Subject: Re: Why are Costa Ricans so happy? Date: 1/8/2010 8:02 PM
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Artie: "Tele doesn't attribute anything that has happened to him in life to "luck" but instead honestly believes that he has complete free will to control his life."

Oh......what is luck? Good fortune? Being in the right place at the right time? NOt getting run over by a speeding runaway truck?

No....but folks are responsible for most of their life..... and making the best of what they got in the way of assets.

"And God forbid the Universe that Tele has created for himself won't ever come collapsing in on him if something awful from this universe should intrude in on the Universe he has created for himself."

Stuff happens. When the meteor hits..no one knows where it will land. When some nut on the highway goes beserk, no one knows what will happen.

But if you go sky diving over active volcanoes...well, stuff can happen.....

And what's with this 'god-thingie' stuff?.....

t.

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Subject: Re: Why are Costa Ricans so happy? Date: 1/8/2010 8:33 PM
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Tele:
BS about Costa Rica

I forget in one day more than a certain nutter post will ever know about Costa Rica in his/her lifetime.

That's all I have to say about that except that this certain poster is FOS about CR and most other things.

To him/her and others like him/her, my advise is to go teabag a fluffernutter.

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Subject: Re: Why are Costa Ricans so happy? Date: 1/8/2010 8:53 PM
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Temsike?

Have you ever even been to Costa Rica?

Do you know a single person who lives there as someone who moved there from outside the country?

I'd bet no....

On the other hand...tele has spent 6 weeks there....visited someone who has spent 10 years there...

Went hundreds of miles on Costa Rican Roads.....went out to offshore islands that very few have ever been on......

Walked around the capital city. SPent two weeks at a B&B.....ate out in restaurants and dives......explored around....had fun.....

So, please..if you have never been there...don't have a clue......just admit you don't have a clue. Please.

Probably walked 20 miles around 3 or 4 cities while there.....in typical neighborhoods.

Got invited to several ham radio operators houses for dinner and visits. Talked a lot about living conditions, and local problems.

On the other hand....as a lib, I guess you just trash anything that doesn't agree with left wing lib philosophy, correct?



t.

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Subject: Re: Why are Costa Ricans so happy? Date: 1/8/2010 11:18 PM
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"And what's with this 'god-thingie' stuff?"..... tele


In a completely materialistic universe there is no "free will." In a completely god-free materialistic universe there are only atoms, sub atomic particles, and everything in this universe, including our thoughts, are simply generated by random particles rattling around inside our heads and the reason I make different choices in life is simply due to the fact that the atoms in my brain are arranged differently than you.

Materialism = no free will. Period.


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Subject: Re: Why are Costa Ricans so happy? Date: 1/8/2010 11:27 PM
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Temsike? Have you ever even been to Costa Rica? Do you know a single person who lives there as someone who moved there from outside the country? I'd bet no.... tele
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Tele, Temsike is Costa Rican....


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Subject: Re: Why are Costa Ricans so happy? Date: 1/9/2010 9:32 AM
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tele:
Have you ever even been to Costa Rica?

Do you know a single person who lives there as someone who moved there from outside the country?

I'd bet no....

On the other hand...tele has spent 6 weeks there....visited someone who has spent 10 years there...


Like I said. I forget more about Costa Rica in an hour than you'll ever know about it in your life.

Regarding your friend in CR (he's probably a US Nutter too, CR is full of them), the CR elites are WELL AWARE of how undesirable these type of Americans are. Trust me on this. CRs HATE USA Nutters--and YOU have NO IDEA how much.

As long as they keep to themselves, continue to spend money, and don't cause trouble, they are welcome there.

But don't be fooled. All Costa Ricans, with the exception of maybe a handful of them, hate the Nutters' guts even more than I do.

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Subject: Re: Why are Costa Ricans so happy? Date: 1/9/2010 10:30 AM
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Artimus: "And God forbid the Universe that Tele has created for himself won't ever come collapsing in on him if something awful from this universe should intrude in on the Universe he has created for himself."

I'll just slip into a parallel universe in the holographic inter-galatic space and keep on a keeping on.

No problem. After digesting all the holographic universe stuff that ARt has posted, why worry?

And god=thingies? ya gotta be kidding. Which one of the 1500 godthingies that humans have groveled to are you worried about?

Yep, stuff happens. That meteor could hit at any time. Yellowstone could erupt and ruin a lot of days.....A gigantic volcano could erupt in Antarctica and split the ice sheet in 6 parts, 3 of which slide into the ocean, drowning all the libs in SF and LA and Miami and NYC...and much of Europe.....

I'm not going to worry about it.

t.

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Subject: Re: Why are Costa Ricans so happy? Date: 1/9/2010 11:34 AM
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Yep, stuff happens. That meteor could hit at any time. Yellowstone could erupt and ruin a lot of days.....A gigantic volcano could erupt in Antarctica and split the ice sheet in 6 parts, 3 of which slide into the ocean, drowning all the libs in SF and LA and Miami and NYC...and much of Europe.....

I'm not going to worry about it. - tele

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I was thinking more along the lines of something like Tele gets cancer, or heart disease, or needs kidney dialysis, or is in a car wreck and becomes paralyzed, and needs hundreds of thousands of dollars of care, and/or his health insurance drops him and his life savings gets wiped out.

These kinds of things happen to people all the time. It's not that uncommon. Life is horrifically unfair and unkind. You can plan till you are blue in the face but still in the blink of an eye life can defecate on you.

And that's why I think you need to have a little compassion on your fellow man. You can't plan for everything. If we relied entirely on the charity of individuals rather than some kind of goverment program it would fall far short of what is actually needed. Individuals are too self serving and cheap to give enough money to help the large numbers of individuals that need help. Just because life has worked out so wonderfully for you doesn't mean that it works out that way for everybody.

Art

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Subject: Re: Why are Costa Ricans so happy? Date: 1/9/2010 11:54 AM
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Art: "And that's why I think you need to have a little compassion on your fellow man. You can't plan for everything. If we relied entirely on the charity of individuals rather than some kind of goverment program it would fall far short of what is actually needed. Individuals are too self serving and cheap to give enough money to help the large numbers of individuals that need help. Just because life has worked out so wonderfully for you doesn't mean that it works out that way for everybody."

That is true.

But now....if I take your statement above as 'true', then how much more should average folks be required to work to 'give enough money to help the large numbers of individuals that need hel;'?

Is it 5 years? Is it 10 years more work? SHould everyone be 'forced to work' if they can do any kind of work?

After all, I mean folks with 'bad backs' can certainly sit at a computer terminal and do data entry or programming or debugging of data bases, or telemarket or be an 'on line' expert for a company or take complaints, right?

Same for someone with 'arthritis'. Should we make them work another 5 years? Why not give them a chair to sit in, to teach classes? Now a days, half the class is electronic with electronic blackboads, lessons taught on the computer.....

So.....why should anyone be forced to 'work' for the benefit of others and to what degree?

If someone complains of 'back pain', should they be supported by others for life? How about if they have 'depression'? Or a missing foot with a prothesis?

I'm sorry..but other than providing a bare bones 'lifeline' for those truly unable to take care of themselves......I'm not for forcing middle class and lower income folks to 'provide for' and take care of 'less fortunate'.

I made choices in life. I didn't get married..so I was able to save a prodigious amount and retire early That was my choice. So, should my savings be taxed extra to pay for those who got married, and didn't save as much, and now have to work to 66 or 67 to have enough to retire? I don't think so.

Should I encourage a system of welfare weenies going on 4 generations of unmarried mothers with dependent kids as a 'lifetyle choice'? I don't think so.

The more people become dependent upon the government, the worse the situation will become.

Redistribution of wealth and assets has never worked in any country for more than a generation or two...then it collapses from ever increasing demands for 'more and more and more' by the welfare weenies.

t.

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Subject: Re: Why are Costa Ricans so happy? Date: 1/9/2010 12:51 PM
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<<You can't plan for everything. If we relied entirely on the charity of individuals rather than some kind of goverment program it would fall far short of what is actually needed. Individuals are too self serving and cheap to give enough money to help the large numbers of individuals that need help. Just because life has worked out so wonderfully for you doesn't mean that it works out that way for everybody.">>



Tough.



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Subject: Re: Why are Costa Ricans so happy? Date: 1/9/2010 6:41 PM
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you need to have a little compassion on your fellow man. You can't plan for everything. If we relied entirely on the charity of individuals rather than some kind of goverment program it would fall far short of what is actually needed.

Well put, Art, but unfortunately, this is how it is with rightwing ideology in this country..I'm not talking about anyone in particular on this board but about the entire USA right-wing, TV, talkshow, etc...this is how it is: if it happens to someone else, especially someone from a lower-middle class or working class/poor background, they answer: "They should have thought about that! they should have Planned for it! Tough sh*t I have no sympathy! I don't want any liberal government helping them!" but if it happens to them, personally, they want every tool: lawsuits against the insurance company (which the poor and lower-middle class usually can't afford to do) and depending on the example, either they will demand government intervention or, if it's an example where that's too obviously hypocritical, then they won't, but will complain that it's still all the liberal government's fault...Bank crisis because of under-regulation? The answer is "it should have been even MORE under-regulated, if they had ZERO regulation, everythingwould have been ok today, no crisis" and other "free" market fantasies..It's sad because it's ultimately in their own interest to have a social safety net that is less hole-filled..as you point out life is not fair and can be cruel and someone making a Wall Street 6-figure salary one day, can be screwed and be almost homeless the next day from a major illness, or other turn of events. Which reminds me of this 30 second video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWKici6hOhw

that someone sent to me, which is exactly going from 100,000 per year to having to choose between paying for her medication and paying for her rent.

This 30 second spot with a "policeman" and called "Serve & Protect" however is the funniest (in a sad way) view of our disfuntional health care system

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ibgn4L6xAw

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Subject: Re: Why are Costa Ricans so happy? Date: 1/9/2010 6:51 PM
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I was thinking more along the lines of something like Tele gets cancer, or heart disease, or needs kidney dialysis, or is in a car wreck and becomes paralyzed, and needs hundreds of thousands of dollars of care, and/or his health insurance drops him and his life savings gets wiped out.

So what? He should have planned ahead. He shouldn't have done whatever it was he did to cause it to happen.

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Subject: Re: Why are Costa Ricans so happy? Date: 1/9/2010 7:10 PM
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In a completely materialistic universe there is no "free will."

Depends on what you mean by free will...In a "materialistic" (that is, based on physics if I understand you) world, does love exist? Or is it merely atoms moving around? That has always seemed to me like a false either-or...if we think of love as something that exists in the minds of people, then love still exists in a materialistic universe. If we think of free will as something that also is a phenomenon inside our heads, then that too would still exist in a materialistic universe.

And if that wasn't enough quibbles for you, here's another ;-)

, are simply generated by random particles rattling around inside our heads

The particles are moving around according to physics LAWS...I know what you mean by the word "random" I and I admit I use that too for shorthand sometimes, but some people don't understand and think that means "according to no reason what so ever" which is the opposite of "according to the laws of physics" These laws include probability, but that's not "purely" random. There is random chance when you roll two dice, but it's not completely random, so getting a 7 is easier than getting snake eyes..So many people seem to think that "materialism" and physics based means a "randomness" that is without any reason, that I try to avoid using that word...but admit to using it for shorthand sometimes. Hey this is better than religion or politics debates, this philosophy stuff, right? ;-)

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Subject: Re: Why are Costa Ricans so happy? Date: 1/10/2010 10:56 PM
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Temsike is Costa Rican....



you say that like it's relevant.



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Subject: Re: Why are Costa Ricans so happy? Date: 1/10/2010 11:17 PM
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Temsike is Costa Rican - Art
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you say that like it's relevant. - 0x6a74

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Tele made the statement that he didn't believe that Temsike had ever been to Costa Rica and knew nothing about it? I was just giving Tele a heads up that the person he was arguing with about Costa Rica was Costa Rican.

Artie

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