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Just a friendly reminder, we are facing the 'fiscal cliff' and 'taxmaggeon' because of a bi-partisan compromise between Obama and the House Republicans, which basically said "let's push off all serious discussions until after the election". Why do you think the next compromise would be a good one?

Don't get me wrong compromise can be a good thing, when the end result is a good deal. But hasn't history shown us that when both sides compromise we can also get a bad deal as well? Just because Obama and Boehner reach a compromise doesn't mean it's a good one.

Heck, I'm willing to bet that the deal Obama and Boehner reach will push the tough decisions down the road another 2 years until after the next mid-term elections.
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"But hasn't history shown us that when both sides compromise ..."

That's the problem. Republicans figure "compromise" is the Dems rolling over and saying: "Thank you sir. May I have another?"

BOTH SIDES is what makes a compromise.

Ken
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BOTH SIDES is what makes a compromise.

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True, not a President who says "I won" and believes that 51% of the vote means he has a massive mandate on anything. Especially when his entire campaign was about attacking the other guy and not promoting his own ideas.

The only compromise Obama has agreed to in four years is to push off the tough decisions...which is the only thing that the parties agree on.
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Especially when his entire campaign was about attacking the other guy and not promoting his own ideas.

Bullcrap. Among "his own ideas" that were broadly covered during the campaign:

1. Raising rates in the top brackets.
2. Removing incentives for offshoring in the tax code.
3. All-of-the-above strategy for energy independence with a focus on developing renewables and reducing demand through enhanced efficiency.
4. Promoting math and science in school curriculum to create a better-educated domestic labor force.


Please try to pay attention next time. It's important to be an informed voter.
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Please try to pay attention next time. It's important to be an informed voter.

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Now that's funny. An informed voter wouldn't have listened to Obama anyway because whatever stand he took on Tuesday would contract where he was on Monday. Also an informed voter couldn't vote for Obama. Dis-informed maybe, but not informed.

I admit, I tuned both of them out by mid-October. Obama is too dishonest to believe and Romney was just a putz. It's why I seriously flirted with the idea of Gary Johnson. Heck, I might have even voted for him. It did come down to Johnson or Romney.
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True, not a President who says "I won" and believes that 51% of the vote means he has a massive mandate on anything.

Perhaps the election was not a mandate for Obama. (I remember Bush saying "I won political capital, and I intend to use it." after the 2004 election where he barely squeaked past John Kerry.)

However, the election was clearly a rejection of Republican extremism and obstruction.
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not a President who says "I won" and believes that 51% of the vote means he has a massive mandate on anything.



Funny How Conservatives are suddenly interested in the popular vote, when in 2000 Conservatives referred to it as irrelevant.
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Funny How Conservatives are suddenly interested in the popular vote, when in 2000 Conservatives referred to it as irrelevant.

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That makes no sense...I was saying that if you win with 51% of the vote you don't have a mandate. Bush clearly didn't have one in 2000 thus why his first big piece of legislation NCLB was co-authroed by Ted Kennedy.

Obama did have a mandate in 2008, but he mis-read it. It was for fixing the economy, not National Healthcare.

But with a divided Congress, who has a mandate?
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Bullcrap.

Yes, you did post bullcrap. Obama ran the most negative campaign in memory and libs everywhere have continued the nastiness after the election.

As for plans, you all harped on Romney for every manner of specific and yet gave Obama a pass when he waited until 2 weeks prior to the election to release much of anything.

Oh, another Fail: Obama spent 80% of this time attacking Romney and maybe 20% of his time rehashing his 2008 campaign.
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Yes, you did post bullcrap. Obama ran the most negative campaign in memory and libs everywhere have continued the nastiness after the election.



Coming from the party of mud-slinging swift-boating scandal-fomenting Muckraking finger-pointing Religious/Moralizing-Hypocrites it dosn't mean anything.
The Republican Party has lost all credibility: Not Even One Swing State, Not One.
So Good luck with your Bars and Stripes
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" It's important to be an informed voter. "

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Thought you might be interested in a post from another board
you may have missed:

http://boards.fool.com/the-fiscal-cliff-solving-the-wrong-pr...

"Let’s examine the fiscal cliff top 5 dollar issues for 2013. In rank order they are:


1. Bush tax cuts for lower incomes $288 billion

2. Extend 2% holiday and extended unemployment $108

3. Bust tax cuts for upper incomes $42

4. Other spending $40

5. Defense spending $24

Total $502"

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The post links to a CBO report which discusses the impacts of the
"cliff" in a very straight-forward manner.


Allowing the AMT to come back in full force is another item
up for discussion which I have not heard many folks recognize yet.

And of course the deficits are still there:

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit_chart.ht...

"FY 2013*: $901 billion FY 2009†: $1,413 billion
FY 2012: $1,089 billion FY 2008: $459 billion
FY 2011: $1,300 billion FY 2007: $161 billion
FY 2010: $1,293 billion"

The deficit for 2013 would be reduced to 560 billion dollars based on
CBO forecasts. I don't know if the forecasts account for a
potential recession.

But as for the question 'Why do you want a compromise?" - I suspect
that neither political party would want a second recession when the
starting point is an unemployment rate of 7.9%, when unemployment
benefits are cut by the standing "cliff" agreement, when the
unemployment among some groups is 10% and higher, when government
spending would be curtailed in many ways - via defense spending cuts
and reduction in civilian employees working for the military.
In short there would be an immediate job-loss inside the beltway.
The government does not like reductions inside the beltway.


Howie52
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"Promoting math and science in school curriculum to create a better-educated domestic labor force."

I see a lot of STEM initiatives going on, but wonder why there isn't an even greater focus on grammar and literature initiatives? More than lacking math and science abilities, our biggest challenge in hiring new recent college grads is their limited ability to write concise, cohesive narrative, and additionally, stand in front of a group, and present that information.
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Coming from the party of mud-slinging swift-boating scandal-fomenting Muckraking finger-pointing Religious/Moralizing-Hypocrites it dosn't mean anything.

Failure. Barry Goldwater was going to nuke little girls in sunflower fields. Go complain to somebody who hasn't studied the rotten history of your party.

So Good luck with your Bars and Stripes

Talking about brew pubs?
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So Good luck with your Bars and Stripes

I think you meant "stars and bars"??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States...
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Sequestration is the right path. Never compromise with evil, i.e., socialism or liberalism.
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(TheDope:)"Obama ran the most negative campaign in memory and libs everywhere have continued the nastiness after the election."
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LOL! - compared to all the birther, Marxist, Communist, Muslim, American-hating GARBAGE that was thrown at him?

A word to the unwise from Romney probably would have ended 2/3 of that nonsense.

And even when Romney was being mild, he said stuff like "The President inherited a bad situation - and MADE IT WORSE."

NONSENSE - Obama saved the auto industry and the financial sector from flatlining. Business has never enjoyed more liberal fixed-asset depreciation writeoffs on current acquisitions, than the last two years. OK, 2011 was the best.

And yet Obama somehow "hates business" and "demonizes success?" Those WERE Romney's actual words. WTF does that mean, anyway? A rational approach to tax rates is not demonizing, and it is not class warfare. Unless you're reading a script from the Koch Bros. (Whose batting average on contributions isn't looking too good these days.)

Bill
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(TheDope:)"Obama ran the most negative campaign in memory and libs everywhere have continued the nastiness after the election."
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LOL! - compared to all the birther, Marxist, Communist, Muslim, American-hating GARBAGE that was thrown at him?


As much as I hate to agree with Dope;

Table 5:  Tone of Presidential Race by Sponsor, 2012 (October 1-21)

Positive % Contrast % Negative %
Obama 2012 6.3 20.3 73.3
Romney 2012 11.9 52.1 36.0
Dem Groups 0 11.3 88.7
Rep Groups 1.2 3.6 95.2

contrast ads—those that mention both candidates

And many more interesting comparisons like;
Table 7: Top Issues Mentions by Party in Presidential Ads (Oct 1-21)
Table 8: Emotional Appeals in Presidential Advertising (Oct 1-21)
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Oops! Forgot the link for the campaign ad info;

http://mediaproject.wesleyan.edu/2012/10/24/2012-shatters-20...
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