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Author: TheDope1 Big funky green star, 20000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: of 134905  
Subject: Why we'll be okay: Date: 11/17/2012 9:43 PM
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And by "we" I mean conservatives and libertarians. This video helps explain why:

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/15/video-what-free-market...

The Surgery Center demonstrates that it’s possible to offer high quality care at low prices. “It’s always been interesting to me,” says Dr. Jason Sigmon, “that in any other industry, tons of attention is devoted to making systems more efficient, but in health care that’s just completely lost.” Sigmon, an ear, nose, and throat surgeon, regularly performs procedures at both the Surgery Center and at Oklahoma City’s Integris Baptist Medical Center, which is the epitome of a traditional hospital. It’s run by a not-for-profit called Integris Health, which is the largest health care provider in Oklahoma serving over 700,000 patients a year.

Sigmon says he can perform twice as many surgeries in a single day at the Surgery Center than at Integris. At the latter institution, he spends half his time waiting around while the staff struggles with the basic logistics of moving patients from preoperative care into the operating room. When the patient arrives, Sigmon will sometimes wait even longer for the equipment he needs.

Except for the clerical staff, every employee at the Surgery Center is directly involved in patient care. For example, both human resources and building maintenance are the responsibility of the head nurse. “One reason our prices are so low,” says Smith, “is that we don’t have administrators running around in their four or five thousand dollar suits.”

In 2010, the top 18 administrative employees at Integris Health received an average of $413,000 in compensation, according to the not-for-profits’ 990 tax form. There are no administrative employees at the Surgery Center.


While Obama is busy wrecking the existing health care system with his top down-driven stupidity and lack of focus on making improvements, a secondary private market will appear.

People like us, who save, live below their means, and plan ahead for life's eventualities will turn to places like this for our health care. liberals will pay triple what we will for half the service.

Let them eat cake.
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Subject: Re: Why we'll be okay: Date: 11/17/2012 10:02 PM
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The Surgery Center demonstrates that it’s possible to offer high quality care at low prices. “It’s always been interesting to me,” says Dr. Jason Sigmon, “that in any other industry, tons of attention is devoted to making systems more efficient, but in health care that’s just completely lost.”

Sure, but this stuff transcends politics -- liberals, conservatives and the like. It's an innovation problem. Entrenched complex systems like hospitals and schools are innovation-resistant, especially when they're protected from the marketplace by tradition, guilds, unions and regulation. But it's not just an anti-market phenomenon. Market-driven industries have the same problem: see DEC or Kodak.

Look at Aravind Eye (http://www.aravind.org/ ) and ask yourself, "why can't we do that here?

Also, if you want an example of incredible innovation in a socialist system, look at Israel.

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Subject: Re: Why we'll be okay: Date: 11/17/2012 11:01 PM
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Until the government declares what they do to be illegal competition with Government Health Inc.

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Subject: Re: Why we'll be okay: Date: 11/18/2012 3:07 AM
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That or we go to Costa Rica or similar. They have a nice hospital in the capital, with excellent nursing care and bilingual professionals.

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Subject: Re: Why we'll be okay: Date: 11/18/2012 11:28 AM
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Until the government declares what they do to be illegal competition with Government Health Inc.



The government is not in charge of health care.

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Subject: Re: Why we'll be okay: Date: 11/18/2012 12:27 PM
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In 2010, the top 18 administrative employees at Integris Health received an average of $413,000 in compensation, according to the not-for-profits’ 990 tax form. There are no administrative employees at the Surgery Center.

While Obama is busy wrecking the existing health care system with his top down-driven stupidity


So are you saying that because of Obama, these administrative posts are created? or they are paid what they are paid? Before Obama these jobs didn't exist? or they were not making these salaries?

If "head nurse" is handling HR and building maintenane then they cannot focus on being head nurse. The building maintenance requires completly different skills and not that much related to "nursing". While something works for "xyz" doesn't mean it is adoptable by everyone.

If you think administrative salaries are the reason the cost of health care is high, would you suggest that to the Phrama companies where they have lots of administrative posts, instead of spending their $$$ on sales, they spend huge amount of their money on sales, marketing, administration, lobbying, etc. Ofcourse not! Because they are free market enterprise. The are free to be inefficient, incompetent, etc.

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Subject: Re: Why we'll be okay: Date: 11/18/2012 12:42 PM
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! Because they are free market enterprise. The are free to be inefficient, incompetent, etc.
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No they are not. Because they are free market they are not free to be inefficient, incompetent etc. Of course the question of why some huge inefficiencies exist might be put to what actually makes this market corrpupt enough to hinder free market principles

The difference between your mind and reality is quite astounding

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Subject: Re: Why we'll be okay: Date: 11/18/2012 12:49 PM
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So this guy is doing ent procedures in an private outpatient surgery center. What's he doing, nose jobs?

Obviously they are not complicated risky procedures that require back up like a blood bank or post op recovery. I am guessing he does not have lab and xray on site. An ICU? Not having those are all significant cost savings. And if he gets a problem, where does he send it? Oh yeah, the ER.

He does not have to satisfy JCAH accreditation for quality either. You do want your hospital to meet certain critical standards don't you? Or would you go to Angie's list and let the free market tell you which are the good hospitals.

There is so much wrong with this guy's approach which is basically, "what is my turnaround time and how many cases can I flip to maximize $".

Got news for you, outpatient surgery centers are not new, but they are definitely not hospitals.

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Subject: Re: Why we'll be okay: Date: 11/18/2012 2:09 PM
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Unless you are classified as a kulak and refused travel papers.

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Subject: Re: Why we'll be okay: Date: 11/18/2012 2:36 PM
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No. No. No. Dope---this is why we'll be okay:

http://leitesculinaria.com/71100/recipes-homemade-twinkies.h...

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Subject: Re: Why we'll be okay: Date: 11/18/2012 6:06 PM
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Surgery centers? really? You think that's an innovation. Enter the 21st Century, why don't you. Yuk yuk.

Are you still using 8-track tapes? You ought to try cassettes. Gerat improvement. And its time to drop Beta for VHS.

Get with the times!

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Subject: Re: Why we'll be okay: Date: 11/19/2012 9:56 AM
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People like us, who save, live below their means, and plan ahead for life's eventualities will turn to places like this for our health care. liberals will pay triple what we will for half the service.

Let them eat cake.


TheDope1


You are assuming that Obama or his leftist successors will permit places like the Surgery Center to stay in business. I cannot see this happening unless the Surgery Center caters to members of the regime.

Mike

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Subject: Re: Why we'll be okay: Date: 11/19/2012 10:10 AM
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You are assuming that Obama or his leftist successors will permit places like the Surgery Center to stay in business. I cannot see this happening unless the Surgery Center caters to members of the regime.

What do you imagine the regime's objection to the Surgery Center might be?

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